KingGimpicus comments on A British student was stabbed and called for help. When the police arrived, the killer told police he was assaulted. The cops handcuffed the bleeding victim. They refused to believe him.

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago (12 children)

The court wasn't looking at why the guy who claimed racial harassment actually attacked the victim. They just had to prove he did it, which they know because he admits it, and that the claim of racial harassment wasn't actually justified. They did that to the best of their abilities and managed to secure a conviction. What actually happened leading up to the stabbing is moot besides the finding the court made that the claim of racial harassment was not supported by any statement besides the suspects nor by the character of the victim in the judgement of the magistrate.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Maybe in the UK it's different, but in other countries motive is very relevant.

Getting approached while being filmed and cheekily asked "are you a bad man?" Before getting stabbed would be very relevant in multiple places, both Finland, Mexico, El Salvador, and USA, for example, because it would indicate it was not premeditated murder and instead "crime of passion" and in some cases, "crime of instigation".

I've been curious about what led up to it not because of legality however, but because of morality.

I don't think it's moral to stab someone over this. But I understand now why someone was stabbed over this. And most importantly, it's not just a random stabbing, but one that was instigated by the victim, which could have been avoided by not being an asshole. It's unfortunate he couldn't learn the lesson in a way that resulted in his life coming to an end, and more unfortunate still that the police didn't act professionally and try to save his life, although apparently a pathologist said it would have been unlikely be would have survived that wound.

Thankfully these details were provided by another comment with a link.

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[–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (9 children)

one that was instigated by the victim, which could have been avoided by not being an asshole

This is victim blaming - motive is relevant when it's something like self defence, not fucking mouthing off a bit.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (8 children)

That racism isn't relevant a motive to you says more than anything. And shows the downfall of the primary English speaking countries.

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[–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Hate speech does not justify murder. If you can't stop yourself from stabbing someone over an insult you should not be part of society.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

I'm not saying it's justified, I'm saying that it's a form of violence, and it's unsurprising that violence might beget violence. It's why societies form laws - as both a deterrent and a punishment for escalating things further. And in this case, the murderer was indeed punished.

But that hate speech in general goes relatively unpunished is what least to this situation either way. Lashing out like that usually happens when humans don't see justice repeatedly. It's highly doubtful the murderer struck angrily at the moment because of this single instance, but rather this was the last domino in a series.

Yet that so much focus is only placed on the errors of the police, and that's why the UK will continue to see societal issues as these. The incident was multifaceted, but only one thing is focused on, to the benefit of the far right

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[–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 months ago (5 children)

You literally blamed the victim for being stabbed. Yes you justified it you disgusting little pig.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Fuck off racist. If we're going to do insults, you're the one also hard defending a racist white boy. Guess you're full of racist shit just like your username suggests.

Next in your parlor tricks you'll say brownshirts that were attacked were victims too.

This wasn't some innocent incident of some guy just walking around doing nothing minding his own business randomly getting stabbed. He literally went and antagonized someone via racist profiling on camera. He fucked around and found out quite damn literally.

That doesn't mean he deserved getting stabbed. A good punch in the face yeah, but not a full killing. Yet here you are not understanding (or better yet, likely purposefully ignoring) the difference between just going about your day vs whacking at bears with sticks.

Eat shite, filthy racist.

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[–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

one that was instigated by the victim, which could have been avoided by not being an asshole

Yes, you specifically blamed them and said they deserved to be stabbed, justifying it with "fighting words" laws. I haven't said a single thing you've accused me of, and you've had to jump to people who literally dragged Jews into the street and murdered them as your comparison because you know your position is so aggressively unhinged. You notice how every time you try to talk about it you bring up actual violence? Once again, if you're not mature enough to be called names without resorting to murder you're not mature enough to participate in society.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

For fucks sake you said it yourself "fighting words" not "self defense". A fight breaking out is reasonable, not murder. Either way the idiot went looking for a fight and isn't completely innocent! That's the point!

Yet you keep trying to twist this into victim being 100% innocent in his intentions! That's what's fucking unhinged, you racist sack of shit

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[–] Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

So you've completely flipped your position to exactly what I explained to you in the first place, and are pretending you're arguing against me?

Shut the fuck up you self important loser, the only reason for you to be starting this shit is that you see actual leftists teaching you as a threat and have to resort to accusations of racism to reassure yourself you're not a bad person.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Oh look, shitewood full of more shite.

Point out where I said the victim deserved to be stabbed, shitpig.

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[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 months ago

Motive is situationally relevant in pretty much all countries. Motive plays a particularly significant role in trying to prove someone may have done something, be it murder or theft.

In this situation, the motive is less important. We know the guy did the thing. He says he did it. He claimed he did it because x, and the court ruled that x wasn't supported by any other witnesses and was out of character for the person accused of x, and therefore likely did not happen. That is the end of the relevance of the Motive to this situation.

Even in the case that the Motive had been relevant, there is no justification legally for what he did. "This guy said x. I dont like x. I hated the guy that said x, so I stabbed him." is not a legally recognized justification for self defense.

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