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32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 minimum — AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] 31 points 5 months ago (17 children)

Gaming is just going to become a hobby for the rich at this rate. There is no way we can keep up with this.

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  • [–] 48 points 5 months ago* (8 children)

    Gaming is just going to become a hobby for the rich at this rate.

    Well in global terms, PC gaming pretty much has been that since forever.

    There is no way we can keep up with this.

    Reject the AAA slop and you'll be good. It's not like anything good comes from them anyway and all their "innovation" is just fancier graphics and physics without any real gameplay, content or story, mainly to justify the overpriced next gen Nvidia card.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    unfortunately even indie games often require at least midrange hardware, like dedicated graphics cards.

    i had to refund peak because it doesn’t run well on my computer, which only has intel integrated graphics, even at the lowest graphical settings…

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yes and no. There has been a HUGE jump in integrated graphics over the last five years. I'm guessing your Intel CPU is older and not one of the newer ones with Arc cores.

    Integrated will never compete with a discrete GPU, but for indy and midrange titles you can now do without most of the time if your target is casual gaming (1080p and below, 60fps and under). The biggest issue is AMD and Intel don't do a very good job of showing which CPU models actually come with good GPU architectures as they often package older ones on budget models.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    It's true that there's a lot of AAA slop out there, but my all time favorite games have all been AAA in their time. Cyberpunk can still push my PC to its limits to this day.

    For people like me we live in depressing times, although technically there's no current game I am interested in that is beyond my PC's capabilities. Good thing past me thought 32GB is a good addition in the before times when it only cost as much as a fancy meal.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Really outside of indie games, all I use my PC for is emulating. Why care about new pc games when I can play every game ever made from 2600 to ps3 on my PC?

    Emulation is about the only new tech to be excited about nowadays.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    The moment emulation began embracing mod support, it became peak gaming. You can now play your favorite old games with randomizers to mix things up, higher resolution models and textures to make them look more modern, patches to disable obnoxious elements (goodbye, low health alarms and lengthy animations for basic world actions), and even add entirely new content (this was extremely difficult in the past, but modern decompilation projects have made better tooling possible as a side effect).

    There are even projects combining games so you need to swap between them to progress, so you can be playing Super Metroid and find a key item for your playthrough of A Link to the Past where a missile upgrade used to sit and vice versa.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    So, two points.

    First, new memory fabs start coming online in 2027, and there are more being constructed that will be coming online in subsequent years.

    But, second...I think that some perspective is in order. Set new production aside. Let's imagine a world where that didn't happen. In fact, let's imagine that not a single additional memory chip was going to be produced. Video games were around when I played games on an Atari 2600, to pick an early video game console. I had fun with it. It didn't have the latest, real-time rendered photorealistic graphics. But...the Atari 2600 had 128 bytes of memory. Not gigabytes, not megabytes, not kilobytes. Bytes.

    There are people building microcontrollers right now that have onboard memory, and those aren't impacted by this. It's just the high-density dedicated memory chips that go on DIMMs that are seeing all that demand.

    According to Wikipedia, there were 30 million Atari 2600s made. The CPU I currently have in my desktop has a little over 145MB of onboard cache. Twenty-six of those CPUs, looking just at their onboard cache, no external memory from Micron/Samsung/SK Hynix, have more memory than all of the 30 million Atari 2600s ever manufactured, combined.

    Like, don't get me wrong. I enjoy using all this memory that we have had available in recent years. But...video games are here to stay and would be even if no dedicated memory chips were around.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    First, new memory fabs start coming online in 2027, and there are more being constructed that will be coming online in subsequent years.

    Where is this optimism coming from? China? Korea?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    There are three major DRAM chip manufacturers: Micron, in the US, and Samsung and SK Hynix, both in South Korea.

    Micron has two new fabs coming online in Boise, Idaho. The earliest one is scheduled to start operation in the first half of 2027 (they recently announced that they'd moved that timeline up from the second half of 2027) though it'll take time to ramp up; it will not be doing output at full capacity immediately when it first starts up.

    https://www.micron.com/us-expansion/id

    They announced late last year that they were going to do a second Boise one as well for more capacity.

    They also have New York fabs that they're doing:

    https://www.micron.com/us-expansion/ny

    For the South Korean manufacturers:

    https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2026-03-12/business/industry/Samsung-and-SK-are-expanding-fast-but-why-is-memory-still-in-short-supply/2540153

    Samsung

    This year, Samsung is prioritizing the conversion of its lines to memory chips at its Pyeongtaek campus in Gyeonggi and the acceleration of new facility construction at the site.

    At the P4 plant, the company is upgrading dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) production to its latest 1c process, which will be used for high bandwidth memory (HBM) and advanced DRAM chips. Samsung aims to secure 1c capacity of more than 200,000 wafers per month by the end of the year through line conversion and additional equipment installation.

    Construction of P5, which had previously been delayed during the semiconductor downturn, resumed this year with a timeline accelerated by roughly six months compared to earlier plans. The chipmaker is bringing in tens of thousands of new workers to construct the megafab, capable of producing HBM, DRAM, NAND flash and potentially foundry chips. Construction is expected to be completed in the first half of 2027, with equipment installation beginning shortly afterward and mass production targeted for the latter part of 2028.

    Construction of the last Pyeongtaek facility, P6, is currently expected to start in the third quarter of 2028.

    SK Hynix

    SK hynix is currently concentrating short-term investment on expanding capacity at its M15X fab in Cheongju, North Chungcheong, while also upgrading older lines.

    The company is adding 1b DRAM capacity at M15X, while accelerating 1c node conversions at its M14 and M16 fabs for production of HBM and server DRAM. After hitting a capacity of 10,000 wafers per month last year, it is expected to expand capacity by up to 70,000 wafers per month this year.

    For a new greenfield project, SK hynix is advancing construction at the Yongin semiconductor cluster in Gyeonggi, one of the largest semiconductor manufacturing projects globally. The cluster will ultimately host six Samsung fabs from Samsung and four SK hynix facilities, and the latter is moving ahead first.

    Construction of the first fab, Y1, is expected to be completed in February of next year, earlier than previously planned. Equipment installation is scheduled to begin in the second quarter of 2027.

    Y1 will be built in six cleanroom "phases," a unit used in fab construction for the capacity expansion stage. Each phase adds more floor space and related equipment for wafer capacity expansion. The first three phases are expected to begin operation within the same year, providing a capacity of 150,000 wafers per month, with the remaining phases adding another 150,000 wafers per month once fully operational.

    The second fab in the cluster, Y2, is expected to begin construction around the third quarter of 2028.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That's detailed! That's good and there are also Chinese ramping up memory production (I wish EU did something as well), but sadly it'll still take at least a year if not more. The interesting situation would arise if AI bubble bursts in a year leaving us with huge memory surplus. One can hope, right.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    The memory surplus wouldn't be immediate after the bubble pops; at least not for regular people. What they're currently producing isn't one-to-one compatible with desktop PCs - most of the secondhand stuff from decommissioned AI datacenters wouldn't be usable outside of servers, and it'd take a while for the newly freed fabs to start churning out consumer-grade memory again, factories to install it on consumer chips, and for it to make its way to the market (mass shipping is much slower than people think). That delay would hit producers hard, possibly gumming up the works even further. Modern economics is not at all equipped for supply chain failures.

    There's a reason people are panicking about this bubble, and that's not even going into the far more devastating stock market crash likely to happen when it pops. It's a nightmare in both economic and technological terms, but a small group of people stand to make a ton of money from it so they've gutted the regulatory agencies that would have prevented things from getting this bad, or at least softened the blow.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago

    Well, at least chuds will be happy that they can gatekeep their hobby, and that the only people with the same skin color of theirs are able to afford it. Maybe they even can finally get the high production "ironic" nazi games they always wanted.

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