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Mark Zuckerberg is Building a $400 Million Doomsday Compound in Hawaii

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[–] -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (12 children)

The response from overseas is sort of confusing. He's a dictator. He doesn't need to be voted for. That's not how being a dictator works. Dictators always say that they won the vote, but they didn't. We have an electoral college which was established when black men won their right to vote, so we didn't elect our presidents in the past, not even under "normal" circumstances before the establishment of this regime. Our political system hasn't ever worked the way you imagine, at least not to my knowledge. Can you explain more how you imagine elections work? (said in good faith)

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    The 'response from overseas' comes from a decade of watching trump politics gain favour in the US. Massive rallies about making America great again, and taking your country back rhetorics, even after all the Epstein stuff came about, the religion of trump flourished in America.

    Sure, you can claim that he's a dictator now. But only because americans have allowed him to become one. That's why the overall sentiment from the rest of the world is negative. Americans made this monster, and now it's the world that has to deal with his bullshit.

    That's not to say america wasn't already fucking everyone else over, that's the American way and has been happening since they discovered stars and put them on fabric. But Trump has exacerbated that issue, and the American people are complicit for supporting the growth of such a monster; it's fresh to Americans, because now even the American people are on the receiving end. But for the rest of us, this is the same story just worse.

    I'm not saying this applies to you personally btw, I'm just trying to share the honest sentiment around Americans as a whole. There will undoubtedly be exceptions to the rule, but from an overseas perspective, there's been nowhere near enough.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (10 children)

    The ‘response from overseas’ comes from a decade of watching trump politics gain favour in the US. Massive rallies about making America great again, and taking your country back rhetorics, even after all the Epstein stuff came about, the religion of trump flourished in America.

    Those are on TV (edit: or on the news). Those rallies aren't "massive" according to the reports I've read, and they do not take place in my part of the country, so I have no idea how big they really are. I've read reports of smallish crowds, rather than the large crowds Trump reports. One of us is probably believing propaganda, but I have no idea which one.

    Sure, you can claim that he’s a dictator now. But only because americans have allowed him to become one.

    That isn't how power works in my country.

    American people are complicit for supporting the growth of such a monster;

    If you have a plan on how we should free ourselves, I'm all ears.

    I’m not saying this applies to you personally btw, I’m just trying to share the honest sentiment around Americans as a whole.

    Do you visit here often? What are you basing this opinion on?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Ah so you weren't interested in the overseas sentiment at all, you're just looking to excuse yourself from the culpability.

    Atleast we know which category you fit in I guess.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (6 children)

    ...what? No. I'm genuinely asking how you came to this conclusion. It seems like you got here by viewing propaganda and not by talking to Americans in real life. I don't want to make that assumption about you, and that's why I'm asking for clarity. I didn't vote for Trump. My part of the country holds massive rallies against him, and I know they're massive because I can see them with my eyes.

    How did you come to this conclusion? Was it from reading the news? Watching TV? Talking to people? Do you know a lot of American Trump supporters? I know a few of them, but I wouldn't say they are the majority, they are mostly very old people who watch Fox News all day and are in mental decline. I don't know these people in a social context. I do not see the world from the news reflected in my day to day. Support for Trump is, from my perspective, entirely manufactured by the media.

    edit: Even if it wasn't... we can't vote him out, and we couldn't vote him in. We can't meaningfully vote for the president.

    And if you hate Trump so much, how come that's my fault and not Trumps? How come you let Trump into your country and let him shake hands with your leaders, but you won't let me seek asylum?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (4 children)

    Like the majority of Americans, I am being targeted by this regime. This regime has promised to exterminate me, my relatives, my friends, and the people who live in my neighborhood. ICE took three of my neighbors a few weeks ago.

    How that my fault? Why does Trump deserve to go to Europe, but not me?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Exactly. Now that your head is on the block, you see it as a problem. But when it was all those Mexican kids ripped from their families during the biden administration, or all the orphaned Afghanis during Obamas, the status quo continued.

    The story with the US regime is always the same, a self serving nation at the expense of other nations with the added caveat that its own citizens are now fair game.

    You're so close to understanding why there is so much contempt for America on the world stage. Keep going and hopefully you'll realise the only solution you should be fighting for is the dissolution of the united states. The death of the empire will benefit all except those the empire actually serves.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    What do you mean "now" that my head is on the block?

    The story with the US regime is always the same, a self serving nation at the expense of other nations with the added caveat that its own citizens are now fair game.

    Do you believe this behavior is recent?

    You’re so close to understanding why there is so much contempt for America on the world stage

    I wish you had contempt for Trump and for our government instead of for its victims.

    Keep going and hopefully you’ll realise the only solution you should be fighting for is the dissolution of the united states.

    Wow. You're never gonna get it.

    Stop letting Trump into your country.

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