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What is your opinion on the morality of bringing a child into this world? (lemmy.world)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/GenerationZ@lemmy.world
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[–] 36 points 5 months ago* (21 children)

I think the moral thing to do is decide for yourself and don't demonize people who decide differently.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (17 children)

    I dunno. The environment sucks and there are loads of kids in foster care. Sometimes personal freedom isn't everything like Americans think. Would we think it's moral for every person to have a car in 1900 if we knew what it would do to the environment in 100 years? Maybe then we would want to invest more in public transportation to avoid climate change. Wouldn't the best thing for everyone be to stop having so many kids and instead support adoption and immigration? Just because Sally really really wants a child with her own DNA does not make her decision moral. Dont demonize me for thinking differently. Lol

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago*

    The problem is not the car. The problem is we let it go to excess, become the only transportation option,and we didn’t follow through when it became a problem. The problem is humans taking it to an extreme then refusing to change

    Humans are not good at climate timescales. We’re pretty much out of time for preventing the worst affects but those affects are delayed and slow. For example, what if we hit the AMOC collapse tipping point? That will have disastrous results for northeast US and Europe but will take more than an entire human life to manifest. Not a problem for that specific human

    Similar with kids. Kids are a choice for your situation in your locale. Despite all the doom and gloom, especially “the circumstances”, civilization will muddle on and it dotes need people. If we recover, it will be thanks to people. If we don’t , there’s still opportunity to live a good life.

    Despite it being championed by the nazis, there’s a good argument that we’ve already locked in excessive population loss. Overall population hasn’t peaked yet but as each generation has fewer kids, the peak is in a few decades and the dropoff may be fast enough to be catastrophic. This is similar to climate change in that it operates at timescales humans have difficulty understanding, but it is a problem and now is the time to try to turn that around. And assuming you care about human rights, the shortcuts proposed by Nazis are not ok, and this is going to be a real challenge

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    I don't think stopping having kids is the best solution to any of our problems, and I'm glad people are working on better solutions that focus on the various problems themselves.

    edit: People who buy into various campaigns not to have kids tend to be more intelligent people who care about the good of the world - but intelligent people having fewer kids is really the opposite of where we want the gene pool to go.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    Technically if you only have 1 kid you're still decreasing the population.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    You're still bringing a child into the world knowing they will suffer from climate change.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Not all of us live in the American hellscape.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Climate change is not exclusive to north america

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Yeah but the environment it creates and the government you have is exclusive to the USA. In Finland, it's not going to be as bad as India. And yet, we do way more to mitigate it than the USA does.

    If you're actually dead serious that bringing a child into the world is suffering, then go and actually be dead serious in stopping climate change. Go blow up a pipeline or be player 2 in Mario bros with some oil baron.

    Oh, you won't? Then fuck off with your eco fascist bullshit. My family already lives as plastic free as possible, don't consume beef, uses only solar, wind, and nuclear energy, and only use electric public transportation or bikes. If you want to preach to me what I can and can't do and what is moral or isn't while you allow corrupt politicians, oligarchs, and polluting industries to do 1000x worse unscathed, then you can find your closest plastic Vaseline jar and shove it.

    You eco fascist "I'm 15 and this is deep" dumbasses sound no different than the forced birthers who say abortion is murder but then don't actually act like it is when faced with the dilemma of actually stopping it physically or choosing to save a kid in a burning building over 1000 frozen embryos. Same damn illogical energy.

    Just because you can't handle kids, can't find a partner to deal with your holier-than-thou attitude, or are too poor to have them doesn't make it my family's problem. You fix the issues your country does, instead of shifting the blame to poorer people or people who won't be as affected by it. Deal with your own stinking rot.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    But all the countries are on the same planet? Greenhouse gasses don't need to clear customs to cross borders. If your neighbor is smoking cigarettes, you will smell it in your yard.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That’s not really how morals work though. If you think it’s morally wrong that your friend hits their wife you either say something about it or you don’t actually think that it’s wrong.

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