sp3ctr4l comments on COLLAPSE of Personal Computing | Investigation Into the Destruction of Ownership

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 months ago* (2 children)

I agree that its very hypocritical of the bulk of 2A people to shirk the duty that they've been loudly proclaiming they need their guns to execute.

But guns do exactly what I think they do.

You're worried about societal issues and tribalism?

Those are already here.

You do not live in a functioning democracy, if you live in the US.

The only way you could think that you live in a functioning democracy is if you uh, haven't read the news in at least a year and a half, if you live in a magical dream world where reality is less important than your fanciful idealism.

There's a reason all the academic experts in ... you know, democracies, in decline, ... there's a reason they all left the country, months ago now.

Who is going to go around and enact your preferred policy?

A ... theoretical future administration?

How are we gonna get one of those, that you like, after Trump and ICE disrupt and rig the midterms?

You're aware that they literally declared anyone who is 'radically pro-transgender' to be 'a type of major terrorist group' right?

These are the same people that got a fuckton of people fired because they reposted clips of Charlie Kirk sayings Charlie Kirk said, after he died.

You are literally dangerously naive.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

I dont think its being naive, I dont live there thank fuck but I have maga family and have visited.

Its just beyond a joke, when will the guns help the situation? It has never happened, bar maybe the black panthers but on a political direction level never. The US is an oligarchy and the people are celebrating, doesnt matter if they have nukes the people are not doing shit.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 months ago*

Ok so, you don't live here.

Heres the current situation:

There are significantly more privately owned firearms in the US... then there are people.

You... would need an actual plan, to make that not be the case.

If your plan is 'tell the government to go get all the guns'... that, that is the thing that all the stereotypical 2A people will literally start a widespread civil war or terrorism campaign or whatever you wanna call it, to resist giving up their guns.

That's the doomsday scenario they've built their culture around, for... at least 40 years.

Wishful thinking will not accomplish anything.

You are acting as if the guns can just be ctrl-z'd out of existence, as if somebody could just tick a box somewhere, and suddenly hundreds of millions if firearms just... stop existing.

Thats not how this works.

The country is already well on its way to increased factionalism and violence.

The Black Panther still exist by the way. And they do armed marches, stand guard around places.

They don't use the guns to shoot people, its force projection, it sends a message.

Like all the LGBTQ places that have had armed guards show up, to protect them, after Nazis/Proud Boys/Oath Keepers with guns threaten the club or cafe or whatever.

This kind of thing has been escalating since the George Floyd protests.

We're beyond the point of 'now everyone kiss and make up'.

American history is actually full of shit like this, even pretty modern American history.

You're not gonna make that all go away by simply being exasperated by it.

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