▲ 781 ▼ Former GM Executive: BYD cars are good in terms of design, features, price, quality. If we let BYD into the U.S. market, it could end up destroying american manufacturers (www.nytimes.com) submitted 1 year ago by Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 317 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) They phased out their subsidies in 2022 They still have a trade in program to get ICE vehicles off the road. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) A lot of these subsidies (both in the US and China) are implicit. Chinese state rail networks operate at cost, allowing cheap transportation of materials and labor. American borrowing is heavily subsidized through the Fed Credit Window, which keeps rates in the low single digits while corporate bonds and consumer loans can be 2x-30x as high. Both countries cut corners on environmental enforcement and subsidize waste management. Both countries subsidize education and incentive R&D through their university systems. The real benefit BYD enjoys - even above its Chinese peers - is vertical integration. They own everything from mining interests to technology patents to dealerships. This is a deliberate consequence of Chinese trade policy, which requires foreign investors to partner with Chinese nationals in order to own and operate capital. Consequently, Berkshire Hathaway - a large early investor in BYD - cannot dictate Chinese vehicle manufacturing policy from a private office in Omaha. Chinese locals benefit from the innovation, the domestic capital, the experienced labor force (which can migrate to local competitors), and the increased economic activity it produces. China is insourcing it's wealth aggregation, which has a cyclical compound benefit over time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) requires foreign investors to partner with Chinese nationals in order to own and operate capital this also means that chinese companies are notorious for stealing IP. it’s easy to be cheap when you don’t do the R&D - you just fast track to producing the product permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago chinese companies are notorious for stealing IP American companies sell the ip to China in exchange for access to capital and labor, then claim they've been robbed when the Chinese firms innovate and expand on the patents they've acquired. The end result is a car company that produces better vehicles than anything an American or Japanese or German company can manage. Curiously, these superior vehicles are "stolen" while the Teslas keep exploding under home grown technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) A lot of these subsidies (both in the US and China) are implicit. Chinese state rail networks operate at cost, allowing cheap transportation of materials and labor. American borrowing is heavily subsidized through the Fed Credit Window, which keeps rates in the low single digits while corporate bonds and consumer loans can be 2x-30x as high. Both countries cut corners on environmental enforcement and subsidize waste management. Both countries subsidize education and incentive R&D through their university systems. The real benefit BYD enjoys - even above its Chinese peers - is vertical integration. They own everything from mining interests to technology patents to dealerships. This is a deliberate consequence of Chinese trade policy, which requires foreign investors to partner with Chinese nationals in order to own and operate capital. Consequently, Berkshire Hathaway - a large early investor in BYD - cannot dictate Chinese vehicle manufacturing policy from a private office in Omaha. Chinese locals benefit from the innovation, the domestic capital, the experienced labor force (which can migrate to local competitors), and the increased economic activity it produces. China is insourcing it's wealth aggregation, which has a cyclical compound benefit over time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pupbiru@aussie.zone -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) requires foreign investors to partner with Chinese nationals in order to own and operate capital this also means that chinese companies are notorious for stealing IP. it’s easy to be cheap when you don’t do the R&D - you just fast track to producing the product permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago chinese companies are notorious for stealing IP American companies sell the ip to China in exchange for access to capital and labor, then claim they've been robbed when the Chinese firms innovate and expand on the patents they've acquired. The end result is a car company that produces better vehicles than anything an American or Japanese or German company can manage. Curiously, these superior vehicles are "stolen" while the Teslas keep exploding under home grown technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) requires foreign investors to partner with Chinese nationals in order to own and operate capital this also means that chinese companies are notorious for stealing IP. it’s easy to be cheap when you don’t do the R&D - you just fast track to producing the product permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago chinese companies are notorious for stealing IP American companies sell the ip to China in exchange for access to capital and labor, then claim they've been robbed when the Chinese firms innovate and expand on the patents they've acquired. The end result is a car company that produces better vehicles than anything an American or Japanese or German company can manage. Curiously, these superior vehicles are "stolen" while the Teslas keep exploding under home grown technology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago chinese companies are notorious for stealing IP American companies sell the ip to China in exchange for access to capital and labor, then claim they've been robbed when the Chinese firms innovate and expand on the patents they've acquired. The end result is a car company that produces better vehicles than anything an American or Japanese or German company can manage. Curiously, these superior vehicles are "stolen" while the Teslas keep exploding under home grown technology. permalink fedilink source parent