▲ 274 ▼ There are levels to this slavery is immoral stuff Early Modern Period (~1600 AD) 19th Century History (thelemmy.club) submitted 6 months ago by Grumpus_Maximus@thelemmy.club to c/historymemes@piefed.social 21 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] heatofignition@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (8 children) Where the gigachad Thomas Paine? permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Rothe@piefed.social 23 points 6 months ago* (6 children) Yeah, perhaps highlight the people who never owned slaves instead? Like Paine and John Adams (although he was curiously enough not an abolitionist)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 27 points 6 months ago (5 children) "Is it better to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort" —partysnacks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (4 children) everyone is born good, they become evil. "is it better to overcome your decision to be evil, or just not be evil to start with" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) You've never really spent much time with infants and young children have you? Empathy is a skill we learn in order to survive in our social system. It is not something we are born with. We are born as bundles of pure self without any sense of other things as independent things that exist even when we can't perceive them (let alone other independent selves like us). As we mature, empathy is a choice we cultivate in our selves. I may believe that most people are basically good (or want to be good) and everyone has the potential to be good, but no one is born "good". When we are born, good and bad are concepts that have no meaning to us beyond what is good or bad specifically and only for ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) youre right of course. and its something i will learn with time i guess. my idealism is definately something i should be wary of. thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 2 points 6 months ago I've been there. It's hard. Please continue to be idealistic about the potential of people. Balancing hope against grounded expectations is a worthy goal though. If you (not you specifically) already believe that you are a good person, will you continue to work to be a good person? I know that for me, I feel better believing that I am not actually good, but that I'm trying to be. I feel that holding on to that idea will serve me best. And it doesn't hurt to remember that other people are also often just trying to be that better person in their own way (or at least I hope most are, some obviously don't consider it at all). Of course people will disagree about what that looks like for themselves and others. Empathy isn't an end or a given, it's constant work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Literally everyone from more than 200 years ago would seem, at best, quirky by modern standards. Measuring by a modern stick is like measuring ants in miles. You can definitely do that, no one will stop you, some might even come to watch, but you’re setting yourself up for a frustrating experience. “He improved for the times” is a far more useful way to see it, imo. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Alexander Hamilton: -_- permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rothe@piefed.social 23 points 6 months ago* (6 children) Yeah, perhaps highlight the people who never owned slaves instead? Like Paine and John Adams (although he was curiously enough not an abolitionist)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 27 points 6 months ago (5 children) "Is it better to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort" —partysnacks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (4 children) everyone is born good, they become evil. "is it better to overcome your decision to be evil, or just not be evil to start with" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) You've never really spent much time with infants and young children have you? Empathy is a skill we learn in order to survive in our social system. It is not something we are born with. We are born as bundles of pure self without any sense of other things as independent things that exist even when we can't perceive them (let alone other independent selves like us). As we mature, empathy is a choice we cultivate in our selves. I may believe that most people are basically good (or want to be good) and everyone has the potential to be good, but no one is born "good". When we are born, good and bad are concepts that have no meaning to us beyond what is good or bad specifically and only for ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) youre right of course. and its something i will learn with time i guess. my idealism is definately something i should be wary of. thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 2 points 6 months ago I've been there. It's hard. Please continue to be idealistic about the potential of people. Balancing hope against grounded expectations is a worthy goal though. If you (not you specifically) already believe that you are a good person, will you continue to work to be a good person? I know that for me, I feel better believing that I am not actually good, but that I'm trying to be. I feel that holding on to that idea will serve me best. And it doesn't hurt to remember that other people are also often just trying to be that better person in their own way (or at least I hope most are, some obviously don't consider it at all). Of course people will disagree about what that looks like for themselves and others. Empathy isn't an end or a given, it's constant work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Literally everyone from more than 200 years ago would seem, at best, quirky by modern standards. Measuring by a modern stick is like measuring ants in miles. You can definitely do that, no one will stop you, some might even come to watch, but you’re setting yourself up for a frustrating experience. “He improved for the times” is a far more useful way to see it, imo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omnipitaph@reddthat.com 27 points 6 months ago (5 children) "Is it better to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort" —partysnacks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (4 children) everyone is born good, they become evil. "is it better to overcome your decision to be evil, or just not be evil to start with" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) You've never really spent much time with infants and young children have you? Empathy is a skill we learn in order to survive in our social system. It is not something we are born with. We are born as bundles of pure self without any sense of other things as independent things that exist even when we can't perceive them (let alone other independent selves like us). As we mature, empathy is a choice we cultivate in our selves. I may believe that most people are basically good (or want to be good) and everyone has the potential to be good, but no one is born "good". When we are born, good and bad are concepts that have no meaning to us beyond what is good or bad specifically and only for ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) youre right of course. and its something i will learn with time i guess. my idealism is definately something i should be wary of. thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 2 points 6 months ago I've been there. It's hard. Please continue to be idealistic about the potential of people. Balancing hope against grounded expectations is a worthy goal though. If you (not you specifically) already believe that you are a good person, will you continue to work to be a good person? I know that for me, I feel better believing that I am not actually good, but that I'm trying to be. I feel that holding on to that idea will serve me best. And it doesn't hurt to remember that other people are also often just trying to be that better person in their own way (or at least I hope most are, some obviously don't consider it at all). Of course people will disagree about what that looks like for themselves and others. Empathy isn't an end or a given, it's constant work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Literally everyone from more than 200 years ago would seem, at best, quirky by modern standards. Measuring by a modern stick is like measuring ants in miles. You can definitely do that, no one will stop you, some might even come to watch, but you’re setting yourself up for a frustrating experience. “He improved for the times” is a far more useful way to see it, imo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (4 children) everyone is born good, they become evil. "is it better to overcome your decision to be evil, or just not be evil to start with" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) You've never really spent much time with infants and young children have you? Empathy is a skill we learn in order to survive in our social system. It is not something we are born with. We are born as bundles of pure self without any sense of other things as independent things that exist even when we can't perceive them (let alone other independent selves like us). As we mature, empathy is a choice we cultivate in our selves. I may believe that most people are basically good (or want to be good) and everyone has the potential to be good, but no one is born "good". When we are born, good and bad are concepts that have no meaning to us beyond what is good or bad specifically and only for ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) youre right of course. and its something i will learn with time i guess. my idealism is definately something i should be wary of. thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 2 points 6 months ago I've been there. It's hard. Please continue to be idealistic about the potential of people. Balancing hope against grounded expectations is a worthy goal though. If you (not you specifically) already believe that you are a good person, will you continue to work to be a good person? I know that for me, I feel better believing that I am not actually good, but that I'm trying to be. I feel that holding on to that idea will serve me best. And it doesn't hurt to remember that other people are also often just trying to be that better person in their own way (or at least I hope most are, some obviously don't consider it at all). Of course people will disagree about what that looks like for themselves and others. Empathy isn't an end or a given, it's constant work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Literally everyone from more than 200 years ago would seem, at best, quirky by modern standards. Measuring by a modern stick is like measuring ants in miles. You can definitely do that, no one will stop you, some might even come to watch, but you’re setting yourself up for a frustrating experience. “He improved for the times” is a far more useful way to see it, imo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 8 points 6 months ago (2 children) You've never really spent much time with infants and young children have you? Empathy is a skill we learn in order to survive in our social system. It is not something we are born with. We are born as bundles of pure self without any sense of other things as independent things that exist even when we can't perceive them (let alone other independent selves like us). As we mature, empathy is a choice we cultivate in our selves. I may believe that most people are basically good (or want to be good) and everyone has the potential to be good, but no one is born "good". When we are born, good and bad are concepts that have no meaning to us beyond what is good or bad specifically and only for ourselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) youre right of course. and its something i will learn with time i guess. my idealism is definately something i should be wary of. thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 2 points 6 months ago I've been there. It's hard. Please continue to be idealistic about the potential of people. Balancing hope against grounded expectations is a worthy goal though. If you (not you specifically) already believe that you are a good person, will you continue to work to be a good person? I know that for me, I feel better believing that I am not actually good, but that I'm trying to be. I feel that holding on to that idea will serve me best. And it doesn't hurt to remember that other people are also often just trying to be that better person in their own way (or at least I hope most are, some obviously don't consider it at all). Of course people will disagree about what that looks like for themselves and others. Empathy isn't an end or a given, it's constant work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) youre right of course. and its something i will learn with time i guess. my idealism is definately something i should be wary of. thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 2 points 6 months ago I've been there. It's hard. Please continue to be idealistic about the potential of people. Balancing hope against grounded expectations is a worthy goal though. If you (not you specifically) already believe that you are a good person, will you continue to work to be a good person? I know that for me, I feel better believing that I am not actually good, but that I'm trying to be. I feel that holding on to that idea will serve me best. And it doesn't hurt to remember that other people are also often just trying to be that better person in their own way (or at least I hope most are, some obviously don't consider it at all). Of course people will disagree about what that looks like for themselves and others. Empathy isn't an end or a given, it's constant work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 2 points 6 months ago I've been there. It's hard. Please continue to be idealistic about the potential of people. Balancing hope against grounded expectations is a worthy goal though. If you (not you specifically) already believe that you are a good person, will you continue to work to be a good person? I know that for me, I feel better believing that I am not actually good, but that I'm trying to be. I feel that holding on to that idea will serve me best. And it doesn't hurt to remember that other people are also often just trying to be that better person in their own way (or at least I hope most are, some obviously don't consider it at all). Of course people will disagree about what that looks like for themselves and others. Empathy isn't an end or a given, it's constant work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Literally everyone from more than 200 years ago would seem, at best, quirky by modern standards. Measuring by a modern stick is like measuring ants in miles. You can definitely do that, no one will stop you, some might even come to watch, but you’re setting yourself up for a frustrating experience. “He improved for the times” is a far more useful way to see it, imo. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago Alexander Hamilton: -_- permalink fedilink source parent