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Veganism is Leftism (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

Which is why I'm talking about enforcing free-range farms where the animals can be happy.

It's not a perfect solution, but it's an achievable solution. Suddenly ending all farm animals is not.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    I mean I don't think they would even disagree with that, they were just saying it is still exploitative to kill something or take eggs from something that does not want that to happen, as it would be for a human. Their contention was that while having small scale farms would be practically more moral, that doesn't make it moral.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    My point is that if vegans go all "eat meat == murderer" narrative, the actual winding down of the animal industry slows down. So it's amoral to do that, because you're extending the suffering of animals. We need the wind-down to happen ASAP, so we can kick the lobbies out, and start working on lab-grown equivalents. Which will be hard enough to introduce to the public, without the guilt-shaming added from the other side.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I mean yeah it's not a good narrative, if someone eats less meat but I see them buying eggs ill go ehhhhh.... and look the other way. But if someone asks me "am I morally right to buy eggs?" I'll usually say something like "well it's still not great but it's much better than eating meat." They were only speaking to the veracity of your statement, I think any non-insane vegan would agree that "switch to small, humane farms" is better messaging and far closer to being moral.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    There's also going to be a whole 'nother can of worms opened when we finally figure out that plants also feel pain, which also makes eating them amoral.

    Until we figure out fully artificial food sources, 100% lab grown matter, we will be causing some pain to the world, it's inevitable, it's how this world works.

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