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systemd being mainstream is alarming and goes against the philosophy of linux (lemmy.ml)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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[+] [S] -2 points 6 months ago* (14 children)
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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    systemd works best, scales well and causes less pain at maintaining

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Thank goodness I'm not a major distro maintainer and don't have to deal with all that shit. However, the times I did come into contact with it weren't as bad as with upstart and sysvinit.

    Let me stir up your anxiety with this simple question: that if future version of kernel introduces a breaking change or a bug that affects the whole stack?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (3 children)

    please try another service manager that is not 20 years old before developing your opinion on this. you might hate it or whatever, but it's better than to keep saying "systemd is better than sysvinit!!" quietly ignoring the actual systemd alternatives people are using that are not pre-historic. dinit/runit are ones I've used previously and were very good and did the same things systemd did for me as a desktop user

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm long past the age where I try things out just for the sake of it. For me, a tool has to solve an actual problem. Runit fails that test immediately because its dependency management is too weak. Dinit looks like a better fit, but I don't need it, because my current system works perfectly with systemd, and I have no interest in doing by hand what the distro maintainer already took care of for me.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    that's fine, systemd is my current one too, it's great w/ NixOS tooling, it's just kind of unfair to handle systemd criticism by talking solely of its phased alternatives, makes the discussion seem like systemd is the only possible option

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago

    discussion seem like systemd is the only possible option

    I haven't met a single sane person who would claim that there are no other systems out there. For the most part, people who use systemd say that it's the best option right now.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    You sound new to the ecosystem at large, and I don't mean that to be condescending, just that you may not have all the context needed to understand why it exists. Any distro that exists right now can flip back to SysV if they want to. They just don't want to. It may be more flexible to the neckbeards, but it's massively more comprehensive in scaling and integrating than a set of Init scripts. It has huge benefits to system integrators, OEMs, and especially the people who manage the largest concentration of Linux deployments: Datacenter Ops teams.

    The fact that you, a Desktop user takes issue with that is meaningless to the ecosystem at large. I manage thousands of deployed bare metal machines, and I'd never switch back, because it SysV was fucking painful. Sure it was easier to debug in some cases, but was it as useful or reliable? Not even close.

    Just go use something else and stop letting it bother you. You'll feel better in the long run.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago

    Why would I care about swaying your opinion? Nobody here responding to you is invested in YOUR opinion on the matter, or cares what you think about it. They are simply correcting your misinformed attitude about some things from what I can see.

    If anything they're concerned you're running around in the world with misguided opinion, and potentially misinforming others.

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