Cartoon man in a house speaks to his computer: "Say you are conscious."/ Computer responds back ">I AM CONSCIOUS."/ Man says "oh my god...." / Meanwhile, the vastness of the cosmos opens up in the night sky outside of his home. But the man is too focused on his AI.
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[–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

ah, now we're getting somewhere.

Going through some of the related paper abstracts, including speculative comments by Gödel: this is pure philosophy. Nothing that is set in stone. Which now points me back to my initial statement, where we can discuss all we want, but in the end it's philosophy. Not "hard" ("provable") science

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Here is what we know for sure:

    There can be no enumerable list of axioms for the true statements of mathematics. No computational procedure could exist to determine whether propositions are valid, provable, or even equivalent. And no matter how you formulate the number-theoretic axioms, a mathematician would always have insights (for instance, about whether a Diophantine equation has a solution) that are both clearly “true” and obviously unprovable. This holds true for all digital systems.

    Here is what we don’t know for sure:

    The metaphysical implications.

    Your distinction between science and philosophy is incorrect. Science is inductive and abductive. It can’t “prove” things deductively. That’s mathematics and philosophy.

    Philosophy also determines the formal systems we use as a basis of reasoning, for instance, in science.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Mathematics and logic

    agreed

    and philosophy

    and here I disagree

    Edit: aww, baby doesn't like the philosophy of being disagreed with and blocked me. Should probably go back to kindergarten instead of college

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    Yes, of course you can prove things in philosophy. Have you ever heard of syllogistic reasoning? The basis of… you know… proofs?

    All science is philosophy. Hence the P in PhD. Not all philosophy is science. Hope that helps.

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