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u.s. debt is larger then the entire u.s. economy (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

obviously the people’s choice for candidate

The people voted for Clinton over Sanders by a double digit percentage margin. It wasn't even close.

For comparison, Obama actually lost the reported popular vote in the 2008 primaries, but this includes a Michigan race that he dropped out of because Michigan moved its primaries forward in violation of DNC rules. Excluding Michigan, Obama won the popular vote by a 0.1% margin, increasing to 0.4% with estimated votes in states that had caucuses instead.

did it again with Harris

Biden won the 2024 primary by a more than 80 percent margin.

The people's choice was clear in both instances. When Biden dropped out, the people's choice for a replacement wasn't clear, but there was no path to rerun the primary, so they had to pick somebody who was closest to what the people had voted for in order to get closest to the people's choice, which was a continuation of the Biden administration.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    The people voted for Clinton over Sanders by a double digit percentage margin. It wasn't even close.

    Okay, so they gave us Clinton by a double-digit percentage margin. That makes it worse, not better.

    Biden won the 2024 primary by a more than 80 percent margin.

    That's because he ran virtually unopposed. For example, my primary ballot only had two options: "Biden" and "uncommitted".

    Can you imagine running in a race by yourself and still only getting 80%?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    Okay, so they gave us Clinton by a double-digit percentage margin. That makes it worse, not better.

    The DNC didn't give us that. The people did. Winkly's claim was that Sanders was the people's choice. The votes show that Clinton was actually the people's choice, by a wide margin.

    For example, my primary ballot only had two options: "Biden" and "uncommitted".

    The point remains that he was the people's choice. In races where he ran against only one other option like yours, the margin of victory was even larger. The DNC did not bar anybody from running in that primary.

    Who do you claim was the people's choice, if not the candidate who got the most votes?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The DNC didn’t give us that. The people did.

    Where did I say anything about the DNC?

    Winkly’s claim was that Sanders was the people’s choice. The votes show that Clinton was actually the people’s choice, by a wide margin.

    Which "the people" are you talking about? Sanders had much more support with "the people" (i.e. voters in general), but was unable to get that support from "the people" in the core of the Democratic Party (i.e. the folks who actually decide who the nominee is going to be).

    Never let the Democrats argue that they vote based upon pragmatism when shit like this happens. The pragmatic choice would've been Sanders.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Which "the people" are you talking about? Sanders had much more support with "the people" (i.e. voters in general), but was unable to get that support from "the people" in the core of the Democratic Party (i.e. the folks who actually decide who the nominee is going to be).

    The primary voters. They're not "the core of the Democratic Party." They're just regular voters. The people, if you will. The DNC decides who the nominee will be based on the votes of the people in the primaries. The people overwhelmingly voted for Clinton.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It wasn't even a majority of Democratic voters. Only 14% of them voted in the primary. It was a very, very small number of people who selected Clinton.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    The ones who cared, voted. The ones who didn't care, didn't vote. That's how voting works.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    If they wanted my vote, they should've nominated Bernie. That's how voting works.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago*

    If you wanted to vote for Sanders in the general election, you should have convinced other people to vote for Sanders in the primary. That's how primaries work.

    Look, I'm more progressive than you are. I just happen to also know how things work.

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