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They wrote the lore then got mad? (discuss.online)
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[–] 21 points 6 months ago (15 children)

Which all conveniently ignores the Sermon on the Mount, especially the Sheep and the Goats.

That parable specifically says that belief alone is not enough if you don't also act on it to make the world better, further saying that if you ignore those in need, you're going to hell.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    It also ignores James who explicitly says that you need works and faith. That particular passage seems to be a direct response contradicting Paul who strongly asserted that it's just faith. Which makes it really fun for Christians who claim the Bible is inerrant or that if there are any issues, they don't affect theology.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (12 children)

    I think it's "faith without works is dead". I don't think it ever says you're going to hell without them. Could be wrong though.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Seems pretty clear to me, starting at line 41 on.

    31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

    You thought you were in church or what? I have a very limited interest in the croaks of the crucified toad.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    I know being the angry atheist who rejects everything is fun, but try reading the book, then you can be the knowledgeable atheist who can throw their own sacred writings back in the faces of the hypocrites who claim to believe.

    Hell, the book of Mathew is a fucking gold mine, mostly starting in chapter 6, the stuff before that can be ignored if you want.

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/6.html

    look at this gem,

    1 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

    2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

    3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

    4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

    Or this gem from Mathew 19.

    23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.

    24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

    Now, some of that book has been used to cover up sex abuse and other crimes of the church (Mathew 18), and it's very regressive on the subject of divorce. (repeatedly, but also in Mathew 19)

    There's also nonsense like Jesus cursing some random fig tree for not having fruit at that instant.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Croak...croak..croak

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Yes yes, more angry atheism.

    But I again argue that knowledgeable atheism is more effective in fighting against the theocratic jackasses. Know thy enemy.

    They don't follow their own book, and cannot really defend themselves against it when you tell them to shut the fuck up by quoting it back at them.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    With that logic I would spend my life reading all the bullshit written by all the bullshiters. No thanks.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    You don't need to read it all, I sure haven't, but I've read enough to be more effective in fighting back.

    Really, the most useful passages are the Sheep and the Goats, Which is also a great song by Cake, The Camel in and the eye of a needle, and the line about the loud hypocrites not going to heaven.

    If the theocrats can cherry-pick their book, then I can as well.

    Also good to know, the fact that the entire Old Testament was written after Cyrus the Great of Persia toppled the Neo-Babylonian empire. So anything before the Babylonian exile is almost 100% invented (and a lot after as well, but there's more archeological support for later stuff, at least until the time of Jesus, when the book and reality diverge again, because that part was mostly written 300 years later)

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Do you really expect atheists to have theological debates? You really have your head so far up in your ass? ..croak..croak...croak

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