@davidgro @hunger Last basic variant I worked with was the basic of the commodore machines. It had no NULL. I have also seen vbscript a little, afaik also it had not.In Java, null does not mean a real 0 value, I think it is more like a static const, more similar to the None type of the Python. Its name is only a helper for the C/C++ guys to better understand a stack trace.