This is a FAF defederation vote for !multiverse.soulism.net. Note that I have tried to summarize views both for and against this proposal, rather than pushing a particular view. Please feel free to comment if you want to contribute your own thoughts and experiences.

The reason for this vote is that admins have been getting a lot of reports about Grail and Their instance from our users lately, but tbh I am not sure whether the reports warrant a ban or not. While most cases are more clear-cut, I wanted some more admin & community feedback on this one.


For context, the soulism instance is (for all practical purposes) a personal instance run by infamous fediverse "personality", Grail. Grail is suspected to be a recent alt of DroneRights aka HardlightCereal aka Exocrinous aka Dragon Rider aka Drag.

Grail, the current incarnation, is (imo) a liberal progressive masquerading as a leftist (a self-described "Anarcho-Antireal theorist" whatever the fuck that is). And I really don't think this qualifies as a "No true Scotsman" situation where it's arguable either way - it's immediately obvious from reading Their comment history.

I don't really want to rehash the extensive history of this user and Their alts in detail here, however I'm pretty sure long-term Lemmy users will be aware of at least some of these previous alt accounts, which have been almost universally banned. I'll try my best to summarize the issues below.


The case for defederation

Here's some recent examples/summaries of why the user is so problematic:

  • Concise summary of past trolling behavior: .
  • Recent YPTB post: Banned for Nuttin'
  • Recent example of Grail's electoralism and criticism of c/flipanarchy rules, including a claim that pugjesus isn't a turbolib ๐Ÿ˜‚ https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63720883
  • More blue MAGA electoralism demonstrating that the user is about as "leftist" as Joe Biden

Recent examples of hating on / agitating against our instance:


The case against defederation

  • Grail is neurodivergent (trans and NPD afaik), so we should be willing to make some accommodations for Their behaviour
  • While some folks (including myself at the time, unfortunately) took the "DroneRights" account as an attempt to troll transgender folk with the "my gender is an attack helicopter" line, it could also have been a genuine attempt to advocate for xenogenders. There's no way to know 100% for sure what Their intentions truly were, but on reflection and with the benefit of time, I think it could be reasonably argued They should have been given the benefit of the doubt on that topic.
  • Just because this user seems to have a grudge against our instance and bad-jackets anyone to their left as politically "right wing" doesn't mean we should ban them. They are still entitled to express their opinion.
  • Given Grail's unique personality, is there anywhere else They would potentially fit in other than the Fediverse? Maybe we should cut Them some slack and just let users block Them individually.

Warning

Please do not attempt to re-litigate the topic of xenogenders in this post. Such comments will be removed as off-topic. As an instance, our policy is to respect personal pronouns, whatever they are. This is not a referendum on the validity of xenogenders. The topic of the post is clear - whether or not we should defederate from the multiverse.soulism.net instance. If you want to bring your own experiences into the comments that is fine, but please keep them pertinent to whether or not we should defederate from this instance / user on the basis of Their problematic behaviours, not on the basis of Their identity or pronouns.


Instructions

The proposal is:

We should defederate from the multiverse.soulism.net instance due to an extensive history of trolling by the main admin's alts, and due to the admin being openly hostile to our instance.

Please upvote this post to vote for defederation. Downvote to remain federated. This proposal will require a 2/3 majority to pass.

P.S., Please be sure to use Grail's preferred pronouns of "capitalised They/Them", so we don't have to remove comments for misgendering.

Edit: This will include banning Grail's alts as well, for clarity.

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[โ€“] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Grail is neurodivergent (trans and NPD afaik), so we should be willing to make some accommodations for Their behaviour

.... Should we? I'm sorry, but I don't care what or how you are. If you are a bald black lesbian rocker (hello Skin, how YOU doing) that's fine, don't care. If you are nice, you're nice. If you're an asshole, I won't tolerate you and I won't care if you're trans or neurodivergent or whatever the reason is.

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I think the argument being made may perhaps be thus: If one assumes Me to be neurotypical, then I appear an asshole. However, with the knowledge of My identity, My behaviour is reframed. For example, one may assume I frequently fail to recognise people's faces because I don't care about others. However, when one knows that I'm autistic and have the face-blindness symptom, it becomes clear that I more often recognise people by voice and personality, and that I am not an asshole. My failure to obey typical manners is a disability, not a lack of care for others.

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  • I once read a post on Reddit by someone who was asking if they were the asshole for breaking up with someone for calling the police on them due to a traffic violation. Said person claimed it was a coping mechanism due to their autism and anxiety. This shows that you can understand a person, and why they do things due to being neurodivergent but they are still unacceptable, and possibly even unsafe.

    What Grail has been doing while not as extreme as that example, still falls firmly in the emotionally unsafe or asshole category. Things like promoting electoralism in anti-electoralist spaces and putting people down for not agreeing with Them. Things like comparing using AI with enslaving or killing animals. Things like encouraging people to brigade communities that They are personally against, then troll the mods in DMs when said mod bans them from all their communities for it.

    Knowing someone is neurodivergent means you can understand why they do things. It doesn't mean we accept them or don't hold the person accountable for doing something wrong. And it definitely doesn't exclude people from consequences of doing things that are wrong. And I am neurodivergent too, Autistic and ADHD, don't think I'm ignorant of the challenges we face. The thing is we also need to work to not hurt others with our coping methods or behaviors. I say that as someone who has hurt a lot of people emotionally in my past.

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