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[–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The few people I've known who were on hormone therapy for whatever reason aren't going to be setting any sports records. This is like asking who's going to regulate the minimum amount of ankle weights a woman has to wear to not have an unfair advantage. Anyone who transitions in order to win a trophy is a particular idiot, and we should just leave people alone.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Oh I doubt 99.999% of people on HRT would even consider doing it for that reason. I'm just saying that a failed male athlete could claim to be trans, take a minimum amount of estrogen to look slightly more feminine, just to compete in women's sports and if that were to happen, it'd ruin the reputation of any MtF athletes that have genuinely transitioned. And I'm also saying that IF a trans woman manages to become a competitive athlete at any serious level, she might be tempted to reduce her estrogen intake similarly to how cis athletes may be tempted to take steroids or do blood doping, but while we have regulations for the latter, I don't think there's currently any regulations for estrogen levels of mtf athletes?

    This is like asking who’s going to regulate the minimum amount of ankle weights a woman has to wear to not have an unfair advantage

    Why would women ever have to wear ankle weights to not have an unfair advantage? Women already have an unfair disadvantage.

    Anyone who transitions in order to win a trophy is a particular idiot

    Agreed

    we should just leave people alone.

    Well the reason we even have separate competitive leagues for women is that in most sports, women physically can't compete with men. If we have one class of women who can regulate their strength, ability to recover from exercise, etc by taking or not taking their estrogen properly, that's not really fair towards the women who can't.

    I'm just saying that it's going to be difficult to regulate, but there needs to be some sort of regulation and personally I'd prefer it to not be "trans women banned from all women's sports competitions".

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    in most sports, women physically can't compete with men.

    I don't know...The gulf between the best male athlete and the best female athlete is so tiny compared to the gulf between the best male athlete and the worst male athlete, though.

    Like...the women's world record holder in the marathon set her record with a 2:09:56 in the Chicago Marathon in 2024. She would've come in 18th overall in last year's Chicago Marathon. That's not even 10 minutes behind the men's world record holder, who set a 2:00:35 in the same race the previous year. Over the course of a two-hour race, that's something like an 8% advantage that men hang on to--and that advantage has been cut in half over the last half-century.

    Conversely, while of course it's really hard to define the "world's worst" male runner, a speedwalk marathon takes about 4 hours; so if you're running at all, you're basically guaranteed to be half as fast as the best women.

    All of which means, a "failed" male athlete stands no chance against a woman. If you're good enough that running against women might improve your chances of a win, you're already an elite athlete; and since you're willing to lie anyway if you're considering transitioning just to win, then taking steroids or something and hoping you don't get caught is way more likely to push you over the edge.

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    there needs to be some sort of regulation

    Maybe, but I think individual leagues and sporting groups should handle that if and when it becomes a problem.

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