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What Tor/I2P porn sites would you recommend? (lemmy.cafe)
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[–] 2 points 7 months ago (6 children)

use some TOR browser bundle or something like that

First, this was an I2P link not a Tor .onion link. They are different, non-interoperable anonymity protocols.

Second, using Tor browser directly would be zero layers of sandbox. Running Tor browser inside a VM would be one layer of sandbox.

someone trying to use JavaScript against you, or leverage other browser techniques to leak your IP

Ummm... first the whole point of Tor and I2P both is that nobody knows your IP address. Not even the website operator. Not even the darknet node operators, except the entry node you initially connect to (it kind of has to know your IP address for that to work). And that entry node can see only your IP address -- it has no idea what sites you connect to from there or what data you transmit.

Lastly, if you're taking the trouble to use Tor or I2P in the first place -- turn off javascript. Or even better, just move the slider in Tor Browser to 'Safest' mode (why that isn't the default has been the subject of a religious war, one where my side so far has lost, so you do have to do this manually)

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

    First, this was an I2P link not a Tor .onion link. They are different, non-interoperable anonymity protocols.

    True. I wasn't sure what people use to access I2P sites.

    first the whole point of Tor and I2P both is that nobody knows your IP address. Not even the website operator.

    Sure. And then they load some resource via the clearnet and get your IP address anyway. Or use WebRTC, or one of the several other methods to squeeze an IP out of a browser.

    Lastly, if you’re taking the trouble to use Tor or I2P in the first place – turn off javascript.

    And now your porn site doesn't show videos anymore 😁 I have a hunch, this is one of the two reasons why there aren't any good porn sites around... Despite OP not liking that answer...

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    they load some resource via the clearnet

    That means going through an exit node, which knows the clearnet address but not your IP address. Again that's the point of the design.

    or WebRTC

    Then you didn't have 'Safest' mode enabled

    one of the several other methods to squeeze an IP out of a browser

    1. Those are called bugs and they do happen but the question is who is attacking you. Assuming you are fully up to date, they are burning an 0day to do so.

    2. That's why solutions like Tails, Whonix, and Qubes exist. Even if the browser is compromised, those OSes guard you against leakage.

    Q: What did Snowden use to walk out of NSA with gigabytes of national secrets?

    A: Tails on a USB stick (hidden in a Rubiks cube)

    EDIT: Oh yeah. Streaming videos over Tor literally cannot be done without giving up your anonymity. So no those sites won't work the way you want them to. You can still download MP4s off PornHub and XVideos though. I have... tested this.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    I think we're somewhat on the same page here.

    That means going through an exit node [...]

    I2P doesn't have exit nodes. Once you load content from outside the network, that won't be via I2P, only chance is to get it directly via another connection. For example your default internet connection. So either the browser or operating system is configured to block that. Or you'll leak your IP.

    Then you didn’t have ‘Safest’ mode enabled

    Yeah, that's why I said, use a dedicated browser for that. Something preconfigured to not allow any of that.
    Yet better: Use Tails like recommended by Snowden.

    Those are called bugs and they do happen [...]

    I'm not so sure about this... Is "safest" mode really all you need? And does it reliably deal with 100% of the attack vectors? Last time I tried it wasn't too good for example against browser fingerprinting (which doesn't reveal an IP, but might be bad as well). And there's a million ways from WebRTC, to trying to get the IPv6 address if all you did is configure an IPv4 proxy, DNS leaks, browser plugins, the webfont system does a lot of weird things, all the things done to do multimedia are very complex and might offer side-channels, I recently learned how to extract some information with CSS alone, no JS needed... Does "safest" really do a 100% job? I mean what I've done until now is to discourage people to mess with their browser settings themselves because it's (a) easy to make mistakes or miss something, and (b) I wasn't sure if that setting even does all the heavy-lifting without going into detail with all the other changes for example TOR browser bundle has?!

    I'd need to look it up but I think there's a lot of opportunity without resorting to 0-days.

    EDIT [...]

    Yeah, I think that's why good (and easy to use) pron sites you'd "recommend to people" aren't really a thing on there.

    And there's the other thing that horny people might just click "allow" on something, because their brain is currently not in logical thinking mode.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    (tech)

    Yeah, we're on the same page (and probably approximate darknet-fu level)

    people might just click “allow” on something

    They do this even while not hind-brain-horny. Which is why defense in depth is good. From the network to the browser to the OS to the firmware to the hardware. Amen.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    Thanks for the nice conversation.

    Now that OP is inactive, I can also spoil the surprise: My link further up was Rick Astley singing: Never Gonna Give You Up.

    It's safe to click. I just figured since OP isn't listening to answers, I'll give them some video to learn -hands-on- about videos on the Darknet.

    If someone had clicked the link, they'd get the opportunity to learn how fast or slow a video loads. And how it (likely) first requires the user to lift some security measures or videos won't load at all. (At least my browser does, there's no JS and then NoScript also complains about the media file.)

    We and other people in the comments pointed that out in the proceeding conversation. But nobody clicked the link anyway. I always have the feeling the groups of Threadiverse users and people with the capacity to surf the Darknet are pretty much disjoint groups. But it's really nice to once and again talk to someone with some more knowledge and/or first hand experience. 👍

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    If someone had clicked the link

    They'd need a browser that speaks I2P, which means they're already into this stuff 😀

    someone with some more knowledge and/or first hand experience

    1. WTF is wrong with people, where do they get their drugs? On the street? Use the darknet where there are product reviews!

    2. I honestly do not understand why high school IT courses do not include at least 1-2 days to cover Tor, visit say BBC and DDG and understand why someone might want to use Tor for these sites (both as user and operator)

    3. Seriously everyone should just watch the relevant Computerphile vids ; they're very good

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