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[+] -50 points 6 months ago (39 children)

Violence and threats of it do not improve society. Don't normalize this Trumpian lawless behavior.

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  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago (17 children)

    Alternatively: what he is doing is causing immense suffering on a societal level and if he stopped doing it many people would live when they would otherwise die.

    If the government is unable or unwilling to stop him, or even stop accelerating what he’s doing, then there are other options.

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  • [+] -24 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    If the government is unable or unwilling to stop him

    Then it's time to vote in a new government.

    Seriously, cool it with the violence-worship

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It's not worship. It's a last resort, and these clowns are removing all other viable options.

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  • [+] -21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Uh-huh. And Trump had no choice but to threaten to bomb Iran "to the stone age".

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  • [+] 25 points 6 months ago (7 children)
  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Give me one argument for that statement which cannot be equally applied to communism, anarchism or islamism by MAGA diehards to justify killing innocent people.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Well killing is a bit overkill. But there needs to be protests and a unified public for killing and voting to actually do something positive. Fascists can't be voted away because voting alone is useless

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I'm sure if you just beg, and plead enough, and if you say how much they hurt you, and how unfair it is...

    ...they won't bust out the lube.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I mean randomly killing people in power without a proper basis just gets them replaced by equally bad people. That's just basic materialism

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The bad people hesitate to step forward, when you just keep killing them.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Why do you think the bad people exist and where they are coming from?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    They form out of the sewers, and crawl out of them.

    I don't know, but I know how to treat that...

    Your standard mugger/psychopath does not have generational wealth on that level.

    Keep eliminating the ones born with power, and they do run out.

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  • [+] -14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    What immense suffering is caused by LLMs?

    Are you talking about the water and energy usage? Because that is more so caused by Capitalism than it is by technology.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    The majority of the people in my department were laid off this year and replaced with AI. The AI is doing a terrible job, but it's virtually free.

    Art and music industries are also under intense pressure right now.

    LLM's are being used to replace quality and creativity with slop. It is the ultimate enshittifier for society right now, and the only ones profiting are the wealthy and powerful.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    not with these piddly, passant efforts, but mass, violence has often accomplished mass civil change for the better!

    • The French Revolution (1789) — Violent overthrow of the monarchy and aristocracy dismantled feudalism and established the principle of popular sovereignty, which reverberated across Europe for a century.

    • The American Revolution (1775–1783) — Armed insurrection against British rule produced one of the first modern constitutional republics.

    • The Haitian Revolution (1791–1804) — The only successful slave revolt in history, producing the first Black republic and striking a massive blow against the Atlantic slave trade.

    • The Glorious Revolution (1688) — Though relatively brief, it involved armed invasion and overthrow of James II, producing constitutional monarchy and the English Bill of Rights.

    Viva la Revolution!

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  • [+] -12 points 6 months ago (7 children)
    • Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864): ~30 million deaths, mostly civilian
    • American Civil War (1861–1865): about 620,000 soldiers died; disease accounted for a very large share. Deadliest war in U.S. history. Society has arguably still not recovered.
    • Rwandan genocide / civil war context (1994): ~800,000 killed in roughly 100 days, with extreme neighbor-on-neighbor violence ("they're eating the cats!")
    • Syrian civil war (2011–present): 300k+ civilian deaths ... so far
    • Sudan civil war (2023–present): 13 million refugees, widespread hunger, health-system collapse

    What made them catastrophic?

    **Violence spread into civilian life. ** This meant famine, disease, refugees, and economic ruin kill civilians disproportionately.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

    if your argument is that wars are destructive and problematic... eh.. heh.. nobody on earth, ever, will debate that. I don't know what you're trying to win there, but.. eh...

    anyway, still, even with the lost civil wars among those (a couple?) they were all worth fighting, (most because they were won). civil freedom is always worth more than servile domination under authoritarian totalitarianm. I prefer freedom of speech and worship to being forced to worship Stalin-- and, especially, the right to say that openly, without fear of being killed for saying so.

    or saying, openly, that I love sucking another man's cock-- which, even in the United States, I was afraid to say so even 25 years ago-- and, I'm afraid that I may no longer be able to openly say perhaps 5 years from now

    Not sure what your point was, but, ultimately, your post backs up mine: through all the sacrifice, the payoff is worth it!

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    That's easy to say for the living, and for people who have never witnessed this kind of shit first hand.

    I'm not the person you've been replying to, and I share your concerns, and the belief that we are rapidly running put of options. But I'm not comfortable making such sweeping chipper statements about this stuff when I've been privileged enough to never experience actual war.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    so... you're comfortable assuming things you couldn't possibly know about people you've never met while making a bunch of statements about things you couldn't possibly know in contexts and places you've never been while openly and proudly admitting it?

    do you expect a prize or medal for that?

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    No, I'm comfortable assuming that someone who had actually been through war wouldn't be so casual speaking of it.

    Also, a bunch of statements? Motherfucker that was my first comment this thread.

    If you're ready for bodies in the streets, more power to you. But get off the chair and get the fuck to it instead of ushering others into the grinder.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Calm down wizardbeard… it sounds like you just got stuffed in your locker again, but no one wants another school shooting

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