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it's a matter of motivation (quokk.au)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/mop
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A meme counter-arguing the claim "Without a profit motive, no one would be productive!" by showing examples of unpaid productivity: Wikipedia, complex Minecraft builds, open-source code, and volunteer firefighters.
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[–] 2 points 7 months ago (6 children)

No one would work fast food or retail, but that might be ok.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Even that would happen.

    In the Freedom Town debacle, the Libertarian dream^tm^. Where everything was profit -centered. They had a problem with trash because nobody wanted to do that no matter how much they were being paid.

    So the town had giant trash heaps everywhere, which attracted bears. And everyone moved or died. The end.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah it would, it just wouldn't look the same. Looking to pre-capitalist societies you find people still making and selling things. Are they doing it for money? Yes and no. An Ale house for example was literally just Ale being sold out of a person's house and that person would change on a rotation as it was made and sold by different people. This was for like a community service than a profit based business venture.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    And let's say 95% of people act civilly, but 5% of the population is extremely greedy. How do you limit the greedy from drinking all the ale and not contributing to the community?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Well the example I gave was literally during the time of feudalism so in that society you didn't. I'm a social sciencentist but I don't have all the answers as, like you pointed out, bad actors are typically a minority which hijackes the society they are in. I don't think we need to know everything to make a better world, we should start with what we can. If you or I ever find a definitive answer I hope we share that with everyone we can.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That's a noble goal. This is basically the biggest argument against collectivism. If you don't have even a framework for addressing it I doubt you will get much support for your ideas.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Uhh buddy I said I didn't know because I was being humble and not trying to act like I have 100% answers to everything when I'm just commenting to a post on my phone. We can easily look towards work around self determination theory if you want motivation, but I think you more meant organizational structures and incentive structures or maybe trying to identify and handle potential bad actors through dark tetrad personality assessment. I actually do research in these areas and the evidence isn't some nebulous idea, I just don't have the time to collect and present to you the work on a topic like this. Go read some science, there is a lot of good stuff out there if you want to learn.

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