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dog lists obama (quokk.au)
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A meme showing a golden retriever sitting at a table with people, captioned: "My mom," "My extended liberal family talking about how much they miss Obama," and "Me getting ready to list off all his war crimes."
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[–] 8 points 7 months ago (6 children)

it's not about what you or i want; it's about having basic human decency and standing up against red lines like genocide; ethnic cleansing; and especially bombing innocent people from orbit or separating children from their parents to trying them individually in obama's case.

pretending that these are little more than wish list item minimizes these nazi level atrocities and reflects your character as a human being.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

    basic human decency, listen, I agree with you. But this is an assumption that you’re making. There is a percentage of the population (some think up to 4%) that are absolute sociopaths. We also have to live with them. Even if they would be ok living without us.

    It isn’t about a wish list. People will always be people. Until we somehow cure sociopathy or whatever drives people to be ignorant and cruel (my opinion on conservatives is they are probably borderline sociopaths).

    Our options are to work with these people or go to war and exterminate them.

    I don’t see how you holding everyone to your standard of morality (even if I wholeheartedly agree with you) is of any use in this. We HAVE to ALL live with each other and do the best we can. Aiming for your absolute unyielding moral compass doesn’t help.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    you're offering a false choice: work with sociopaths or kill them; that's surrender.

    don't beg killers to be nicer -- make their cruelty politically impossible.

    you say "we have to live with each other." fine. but living together doesn't mean accepting drone strikes on kids because 4% of people are sociopaths. that's not pragmatism. that's cowardice with a philosophy degree.

    the goal isn't to pick the lesser evil. it's to build a world where bombing children isn't a debate -- it's unthinkable. that's not moral purity. that's the whole damn point.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Ok. How?

    What’s your plan?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    the plan isn't a secret recipe i'm hiding from you. it's happening right now, whether you notice it or not.

    mutual aid networks. rent strikes. union organizing. boycott campaigns. community defense. abolitionist projects that starve the carceral state. international solidarity that makes imperialist violence costly.

    you want a ten-point plan handed to a president? that's not how this works. leftists don't wait for permission from power -- we build counter-power. we make the old world unmanageable and the new world unavoidable, piece by piece.

    the question isn't "how?" as if it's some untested theory. the question is whether you'll get off the sidelines and help.

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