▲ 115 ▼ EU Commission bans top officials from using Signal groups (www.heise.de) submitted 7 months ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 13 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from : https://lemmy.zip/post/61888435
[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 23 points 7 months ago (9 children) Anyone wana give the tl:dr? Why? permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SMillerNL@piefed.social 24 points 7 months ago (7 children) The decision was made according to the report after the Commission became aware of the group's existence last month and deemed the risk of compromise too high. While there is no evidence yet that communication has actually been intercepted, the threat situation has escalated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 7 months ago (6 children) So... Not because "that's a privacy tool, conducting public business there is antidemocratic". Instead because, "look at how those Americans use it wrongly, we don't want to be like them." . . . Huh. I have mixed feelings about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 7 months ago (5 children) No not really. More a "its not the right tool for the job" signal is a messenger for private use, EU is working on / has a matrix based messenger that is more suited. You still want encryption but also central user management etc. (Which hopefully also includes archiving...). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 7 points 7 months ago (4 children) Sounds like a decentralized encrypted messaging platform is needed. And when you need the highest trust, you just need to make sure you and the people you are talking to are all on trusted servers. so governments would use their own gov.eu server or something, and only communicate sensitive info to others on that network so the info never leaves that server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Yes. Something they are working on based on Matrix ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Sounds great, I didn't know about that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 7 months ago https://www.euractiv.com/news/commission-trials-european-open-source-communications-software/ I read this article earlier this year. Lets see, what comes out of it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Sounds like a decentralized encrypted messaging platform is needed. Decentralized probably isn't desirable for this use case; self-hosted is. When designing something for that purpose based on a decentralized protocol like Matrix, it's probably desirable to mandate that the most sensitive conversations take place using a server with decentralization disabled and a client restricted to using only that server. permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 14 points 7 months ago US American servers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SMillerNL@piefed.social 24 points 7 months ago (7 children) The decision was made according to the report after the Commission became aware of the group's existence last month and deemed the risk of compromise too high. While there is no evidence yet that communication has actually been intercepted, the threat situation has escalated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 7 months ago (6 children) So... Not because "that's a privacy tool, conducting public business there is antidemocratic". Instead because, "look at how those Americans use it wrongly, we don't want to be like them." . . . Huh. I have mixed feelings about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 7 months ago (5 children) No not really. More a "its not the right tool for the job" signal is a messenger for private use, EU is working on / has a matrix based messenger that is more suited. You still want encryption but also central user management etc. (Which hopefully also includes archiving...). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 7 points 7 months ago (4 children) Sounds like a decentralized encrypted messaging platform is needed. And when you need the highest trust, you just need to make sure you and the people you are talking to are all on trusted servers. so governments would use their own gov.eu server or something, and only communicate sensitive info to others on that network so the info never leaves that server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Yes. Something they are working on based on Matrix ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Sounds great, I didn't know about that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 7 months ago https://www.euractiv.com/news/commission-trials-european-open-source-communications-software/ I read this article earlier this year. Lets see, what comes out of it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Sounds like a decentralized encrypted messaging platform is needed. Decentralized probably isn't desirable for this use case; self-hosted is. When designing something for that purpose based on a decentralized protocol like Matrix, it's probably desirable to mandate that the most sensitive conversations take place using a server with decentralization disabled and a client restricted to using only that server. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 7 months ago (6 children) So... Not because "that's a privacy tool, conducting public business there is antidemocratic". Instead because, "look at how those Americans use it wrongly, we don't want to be like them." . . . Huh. I have mixed feelings about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 7 months ago (5 children) No not really. More a "its not the right tool for the job" signal is a messenger for private use, EU is working on / has a matrix based messenger that is more suited. You still want encryption but also central user management etc. (Which hopefully also includes archiving...). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 7 points 7 months ago (4 children) Sounds like a decentralized encrypted messaging platform is needed. And when you need the highest trust, you just need to make sure you and the people you are talking to are all on trusted servers. so governments would use their own gov.eu server or something, and only communicate sensitive info to others on that network so the info never leaves that server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Yes. Something they are working on based on Matrix ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Sounds great, I didn't know about that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 7 months ago https://www.euractiv.com/news/commission-trials-european-open-source-communications-software/ I read this article earlier this year. Lets see, what comes out of it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Sounds like a decentralized encrypted messaging platform is needed. Decentralized probably isn't desirable for this use case; self-hosted is. When designing something for that purpose based on a decentralized protocol like Matrix, it's probably desirable to mandate that the most sensitive conversations take place using a server with decentralization disabled and a client restricted to using only that server. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 7 months ago (5 children) No not really. More a "its not the right tool for the job" signal is a messenger for private use, EU is working on / has a matrix based messenger that is more suited. You still want encryption but also central user management etc. (Which hopefully also includes archiving...). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 7 points 7 months ago (4 children) Sounds like a decentralized encrypted messaging platform is needed. And when you need the highest trust, you just need to make sure you and the people you are talking to are all on trusted servers. so governments would use their own gov.eu server or something, and only communicate sensitive info to others on that network so the info never leaves that server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Yes. Something they are working on based on Matrix ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Sounds great, I didn't know about that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 7 months ago https://www.euractiv.com/news/commission-trials-european-open-source-communications-software/ I read this article earlier this year. Lets see, what comes out of it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Sounds like a decentralized encrypted messaging platform is needed. Decentralized probably isn't desirable for this use case; self-hosted is. When designing something for that purpose based on a decentralized protocol like Matrix, it's probably desirable to mandate that the most sensitive conversations take place using a server with decentralization disabled and a client restricted to using only that server. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 7 points 7 months ago (4 children) Sounds like a decentralized encrypted messaging platform is needed. And when you need the highest trust, you just need to make sure you and the people you are talking to are all on trusted servers. so governments would use their own gov.eu server or something, and only communicate sensitive info to others on that network so the info never leaves that server permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Yes. Something they are working on based on Matrix ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Sounds great, I didn't know about that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 7 months ago https://www.euractiv.com/news/commission-trials-european-open-source-communications-software/ I read this article earlier this year. Lets see, what comes out of it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Sounds like a decentralized encrypted messaging platform is needed. Decentralized probably isn't desirable for this use case; self-hosted is. When designing something for that purpose based on a decentralized protocol like Matrix, it's probably desirable to mandate that the most sensitive conversations take place using a server with decentralization disabled and a client restricted to using only that server. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Yes. Something they are working on based on Matrix ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Sounds great, I didn't know about that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 7 months ago https://www.euractiv.com/news/commission-trials-european-open-source-communications-software/ I read this article earlier this year. Lets see, what comes out of it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Sounds great, I didn't know about that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 7 months ago https://www.euractiv.com/news/commission-trials-european-open-source-communications-software/ I read this article earlier this year. Lets see, what comes out of it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 7 months ago https://www.euractiv.com/news/commission-trials-european-open-source-communications-software/ I read this article earlier this year. Lets see, what comes out of it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Sounds like a decentralized encrypted messaging platform is needed. Decentralized probably isn't desirable for this use case; self-hosted is. When designing something for that purpose based on a decentralized protocol like Matrix, it's probably desirable to mandate that the most sensitive conversations take place using a server with decentralization disabled and a client restricted to using only that server. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 14 points 7 months ago US American servers. permalink fedilink source parent