French President Emmanuel Macron on Thursday said it would be unrealistic to launch a military operation to force open the Strait of Hormuz after US President Donald Trump challenged allies to work towards reopening it. In unusually strong criticism, Macron accused Trump of constantly contradicting himself on the Iran war and of undermining faith in the NATO military alliance.

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[–] 18 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Where would that leave Ukraine?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn't accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    You're talking about possible escalation in Ukraine and making further enemies, via USA exclusion. Not a great outcome.unless everyone goes along with it. Which they won't.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    What further enemies? Trump is already angry at NATO. Escalation might be necessary. Can Ukraine win a war of attrition against Russia with its greater manpower?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Trump is angry ar NATO? Let’s see how angry when they unilaterally try to undermine him and exclude him. He’s already been threatening Greenland. Do you think their new friend Russia will help?

    They are treading a fine line of moving away from the USA without making it an enemy or breaking treaties.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Europe has to become independent of Trump. Europe is like a wife who husband abuses her but is afraid to leave because she doesn't think she can survive on her own. Europe can survive without Trump. Europe cannot do anything to help Greenland if the US invades it. The reason is that Greenland is very close to the US unless Russia and China help, which is very possible. Russia and China do not want the US to control Greenland.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Yes, it's exactly like a domestic violence situation, but only because trump is an abusive husband and doesn't practice statecraft. Europe is waking up to the new reality. I don't think Americans are yet, as they are more insulat but it's coming.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    US is still the biggest mercenary out there. Excluding it only guarantees it's move to the other side.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    What other side is there? If Europe, Russia, and China reach a deal with Iran, Trump would feel isolated if he doesn't join. Also, what would be the purpose for him to continue fighting?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    If Russia doesn't reach a deal.

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