▲ 352 ▼ Iran destroys five US refueling aircraft. (www.vietnam.vn) submitted 7 months ago by yogthos@lemmy.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml 171 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 7 months ago (4 children) Why do you think that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 7 months ago (3 children) Because all sides have so much to lose, so they'll pursue maximalist goals. The US retreating essentially means giving up the Gulf and by extension the Middle East, which is central to their doctrine of energy domination and a huge part of their leverage over Asia. Iran on the other hand is fighting for its survival and needs to expel the US from the Gulf to ensure they can nevet attack them again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 7 months ago (2 children) Ok, but why do you think Vance can send more negotiators who will actually negotiate in good faith? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Vance, while clearly evil, is intelligent and flexible. I think that with some help he could find serious negotiators to send, and then he'd just need to make sure that there is clear communication. To be clear, I don't think he will do that, because he's also a coward, but I think it is within his ability to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 7 months ago I mean it's within everyone's ability, outside someone with psychopathy, to do what the rest of society deems morally acceptable, but when they have a track record of doing what most of us find morally reprehensible, there's really no reason to expect a sudden change, until they prove they're trying, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 7 months ago (3 children) Because all sides have so much to lose, so they'll pursue maximalist goals. The US retreating essentially means giving up the Gulf and by extension the Middle East, which is central to their doctrine of energy domination and a huge part of their leverage over Asia. Iran on the other hand is fighting for its survival and needs to expel the US from the Gulf to ensure they can nevet attack them again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 7 months ago (2 children) Ok, but why do you think Vance can send more negotiators who will actually negotiate in good faith? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Vance, while clearly evil, is intelligent and flexible. I think that with some help he could find serious negotiators to send, and then he'd just need to make sure that there is clear communication. To be clear, I don't think he will do that, because he's also a coward, but I think it is within his ability to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 7 months ago I mean it's within everyone's ability, outside someone with psychopathy, to do what the rest of society deems morally acceptable, but when they have a track record of doing what most of us find morally reprehensible, there's really no reason to expect a sudden change, until they prove they're trying, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 7 months ago (2 children) Ok, but why do you think Vance can send more negotiators who will actually negotiate in good faith? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Vance, while clearly evil, is intelligent and flexible. I think that with some help he could find serious negotiators to send, and then he'd just need to make sure that there is clear communication. To be clear, I don't think he will do that, because he's also a coward, but I think it is within his ability to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 7 months ago I mean it's within everyone's ability, outside someone with psychopathy, to do what the rest of society deems morally acceptable, but when they have a track record of doing what most of us find morally reprehensible, there's really no reason to expect a sudden change, until they prove they're trying, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) Vance, while clearly evil, is intelligent and flexible. I think that with some help he could find serious negotiators to send, and then he'd just need to make sure that there is clear communication. To be clear, I don't think he will do that, because he's also a coward, but I think it is within his ability to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 7 months ago I mean it's within everyone's ability, outside someone with psychopathy, to do what the rest of society deems morally acceptable, but when they have a track record of doing what most of us find morally reprehensible, there's really no reason to expect a sudden change, until they prove they're trying, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 7 months ago I mean it's within everyone's ability, outside someone with psychopathy, to do what the rest of society deems morally acceptable, but when they have a track record of doing what most of us find morally reprehensible, there's really no reason to expect a sudden change, until they prove they're trying, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent