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How would you respond to the statement "Trans women are biologically male" ? (literature.cafe)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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(I'm just trying to learn. No hidden mockery in this and this is no gotcha bs aimed at t women. I'm NOT transphobic. Just saw this in a debate and wanted to know other people's thoughts)

I just want to know:

  1. Is this factually correct?
  2. If it is, does it matter? Why or why not?
  3. How would you logically respond to this?
  4. How does this statement not contradict with Trans Women are Women
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[–] 35 points 7 months ago* (16 children)

who cares

if someone asks to be called she/her/susan then just do it. it doesn't need to be so complicated

conservatives ranting about biology are attacking a straw man. nobody actually gives a shit

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (13 children)
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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Change rooms should be unisex either way and professional sports is totally solvable - we already have weight classes etc but at the end of the day sports is just entertainment and not what we should be basing our society about. It can fuck off and disappear for all I care - plenty of other entertainment out there.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The reason why sports are segregated by gender is because men can't stand to lose to women.

    Think about this. Why are even non-contact sports segregated? Tennis? Why?!

    Even chess is segregated by gender. Chess!

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    The reason athletic sports are segregated by gender is because physically, cis men vastly outperform cis women. Like, if we got rid of gender divisions altogether, cis men would be the only ones competing. I think it's unfair to both cis and transgender female athletes to effectively bar them from competitions altogether.

    For nonathletic sports, it's more complicated. In chess, for example, the best female chess player in history is the 64th best chess player overall. The second best woman doesn't break the top 140. I assume this is because of historical discrimination against women in the chess community leading to them being underrepresented at the top. Having women's divisions is good because it encourages women to play.

    To be clear, trans women are women, so it only makes sense to have them compete against other women.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Why are even non-contact sports segregated? Tennis? Why?!

    This has been tested on multiple occasions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)

    The only real win in singles was Billie Jean King (then 29yo) over Bobby Riggs (then 55yo). Riggs had recently beaten Margaret Court who was a 17 year number one in the women's game.

    Martina Navratilova in 2023 stated that the reason the 55-year-old Riggs lost to the 29-year-old King was simply because of age.[37]Β Navratilova said Riggs lost "because Bobby was too old," and added, "A 35 year old Bobby would have beaten all of us."[37]

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    how do you think trans people feel about it?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Well surely you can agree that letting men into women’s change rooms

    If the idea is that that's a no-no because men are sexually attracted to women, then I must remind you that gay people exist.

    If the idea is that men cannot be trusted, then there are many other spaces where men have power that should be examined first.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You conservatives spend an insane amount of time thinking about and making shit up about children's genitals. It's so fucking wet and creepy.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Uh...

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Oh sweet baby Jesus... 🀦...
    Uhm thanks for pointing that out...

    The word was supposed to be "weird" and there's no sane way, no matter how badly I smashed my big fat appendages across the screen, that spell correct could have thought I meant to type "wet", but yet somehow that's what it chose.

    My phone finally forced me to let it update to the newer os stuffed full of ai, and now does some insanely weird spell corrections. It will even sometimes change words that I have spelled correctly to things that mean something completely different. But this one is a real beauty. Honestly, it's so fucked up that I am just going to leave it.

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