Zagorath comments on Queensland e-bike laws: New bill proposes 10km/h speed limit in push to get cyclists, scooters off footpaths and onto roads

[–] Zagorath [S] 10 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

Because those scooters flying past at 40 km/h were already illegal. The police just can't be bothered enforcing it.

The only people this new law is actually going to affect are those who are doing the right thing.

Kids can ride ebikes to school, yes, speed limited

Speed limited to the point that it's absolutely useless. Speeds that you can easily exceed on foot.

And paths that are officially footpaths and shared paths make up over 90% of Brisbane's "bicycle paths". This isn't restricted to highly pedestrianised areas. It's most places people are tryijg to ride their bikes.

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[–] ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago* (5 children)

Correct and because they can't patrol it they are building a new way to force compliance.

The people currently doing the wrong thing through rentals etc will now not have the ability to break the law. And a lot of the hoons I see now are on these rentals, much less are on thier own gear.

And mate your stretching the truth there (almost as much a Murdoch media) people cannot walk at 10km/h. People typically walk at like 4 mabes 5km/h, not the 11+ km/h you are alleging.

And I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here, I see your point about 90% of this is footpaths, but in my view that supports this legislation, these are FOOTpaths ie holding pedestrian traffic, the vast majority of the time your gonna encounter someone walking to the bus, or carrying some groceries home on this footpaths, strolling at a casual pace and they don't deserve to have some escooter, without notice, wipe them out.

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[–] Zagorath [S] 4 points 7 months ago (4 children)

people cannot walk at 10km/h

I didn't say otherwise. I said "on foot". Reinforcing the point from my post that it is a slow jogging pace.

90% of Brisbane's bike paths are technically not classified as bike paths, but footpaths or shared paths. That's paths like the Deagon Deviation Bikeway, significant parts of the North Brisbane Bikeway, the Cabbage Tree Creek Bikeway. These are called bikeways and are intended for use by bikes. But this shitty authoritarian pro-car law will effectively bar bikes from being ridden on bikeways.

And for what? Because they can't be fucked actually dealing with the people riding electric motorbikes at above 25 km/h using a throttle using the laws that are already in place. It's fucking stupid. And it's indefensible. The best that could be said about it is that it's fearmongering intended to sucker idiots in to supporting their anti-bike agenda.

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[–] ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

All I'll say to this is that on foot is primarily walking.

Will you come across some runners sure, but get out there and count them. You'll be suprised at how outnumbered they are compared to walkers.

But you live in your little circle where you scream at the government going this is BS, because some pedestrians run these rules are wrong. Ignoring the vast vast vast majority that are walking and slow, sometimes elderly and wobble on thier feet, sometimes pushing a pram or herding little kids, let me speed past them as fast as I can.

And regarding the bikeways, they've said there is provision to increase speed limits on some ways these will be updated and you won't have to do 10km/h on them.

Your arguments are the exact argument that motorists that ride cyclists off the road use. You are litterally in the same camp as them, I wanna go as fast as I want and no ~~cyclist~~ pedestrian is gonna get in my way. Stop fearmongering and share the footpaths.

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[–] Zagorath [S] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

because some pedestrians run these rules are wrong

Read what I fucking said. What people on foot are doing is completely irrelevant. What's relevant is that 10 km/h is a fucking stupid speed limit to put on bikes. There's absolutely no justification for making cycling a completely impractical mode of transport. None.

If people are riding dangerously on illegal motorbikes on footpaths and shared paths, then confiscate their illegal motorbikes and destroy them. There's no reason to punish people who have done nothing wrong, and while you're at it punish society as a whole by making cycling a less viable form of transport and forcing more people back into the world's least efficient form of transport: private cars.

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[–] ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

I did read what you said I just don't agree, and you haven't raised any reasonable points to persuade me to change my mind. Your point is 10km is too slow...!!! And it's impractical!! and slow!! You raised a point that kids couldnt get to school which I demonstrated was wrong, you raised that prebuilt bike paths would all be 10km/h which I also demonstrated was wrong.

You disregard what traffic is on these paths as 'irrelevant' when I couldn't disagree more, the traffic that's on the paths is entirely relevant and must be factored into the equation. This isn't a ecyclists come first ignore all traffic that must be on the footpaths cos only ecyclists matter.

I still think the fact that most traffic on these paths is pedestrian, and that traffic is vastly people walking at 4km/h or less (just my assumption based on what I see), a speed limit on escooters and ebikes of more than double that on these shared pathways is reasonable.

I note your point on people acting dangerously already can have thier assets seized, and I ask you to remember police can't patrol it as we know due to lived experience today.

If you read my comments you would see my point of, society has to walk as fast as thier slowest person, which is that idiot that hoons through footpaths knocking over the 80yr old getting his paper in the morning. So a flat speed limit is introduced to stop this from happening. Stop hating on me, and instead hate on the idiots, who had the option to do the right thing, didn't and sped on footpaths, causing the government to introduce legislation to stop it from happening. It's those idiots that made this legislation as if they hadve done the right thing you wouldnt be facing these changes.

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[–] Zagorath [S] 2 points 7 months ago

Your point is 10km is too slow…!!! And it’s impractical!! and slow!!

If your goal is to get people out of cars, making cycling take 6 times as long as driving certainly isn't practical.

It's also, as has already been stated, dangerous. 10 km/h is below the recommended minimum speed for safe cycling and it makes bikes unsteady.

This is all ignoring one simple fact: the vast majority of the time, there are no pedestrians around. Why should an ebike have to go at an impractical, dangerously low speed, when there is literally nobody whose safety is being improved as a result? Most of our shared paths and footpaths have pedestrians only rarely, and it's very easy to slow down and safely go around them when they are there. There's no justification for it other than the real one that's behind the proposed legal change: punishing people in the "out group", namely: those not driving.

You raised a point that kids couldnt walk to school

See, this is how I know you're a troll. Because I didn't say that. I didn't even come close to saying that. I'm done here. You're supporting authoritarian bullshit, and you're clearly not here to engage in good faith. Fuck off and get back to your boot licking.

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