A Boring Dystopia

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

lol, you have never talked to any Palestinians?

When apartheid ended in south Africa, did it end with all the white people being executed?

they want the right of return. they want equal rights. and definitely, some genociders belong in jail.

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[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

I don’t know that the South African model was ever possible in Israel, the government is far more entrenched, it is more like trying to usurp the American or Australian government than any other colonialist government.

In SA they also had a 9:1 ratio advantage, the rest of the world’s governments were pressuring with trade embargoes and it was still incredibly difficult to get any movement.

But as an example, truth and reconciliation would be an amazing thing to see in this context. Maybe one day.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

as soon as US support ends (dems need to pay attention if they ever want to win an election again), All international support for Israel will end. and it'll become a pariah state, full of embargoes and sanctions. it'll collapse by itself.

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[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I think “if US support ever ends”, but yes. We live in hope!

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[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Instead of getting angry you could research what that slogan means to different groups. For nearly every group that slogan currently means freedom for everyone from the river to the sea. Most accounts of early use meaning freedom for Palestine not just from Israel, but from Jordan and Egypt as well. The one group that used it in a mostly genocidal undertone was the PLO in the 1960's who believed it meant returning the whole region to Palestinian rule, and 'removing' all people that immigrated in the last hundred years. As with most things it requires nuance. It can mean something bad, but these days most people use it to mean freedom. Intentionally taking it to mean something other than how people mean to use it seems disingenuous.