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The Next (De)Generation (media.piefed.world)
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[–] 17 points 8 months ago (13 children)

How do I get started with Usenet? I'm on a private tracker right now which has excellent speeds (maxes out my 500 Mbit connection usually, so I can't tell what speeds I might achieve if fully utilized), but it would of course be nice not having to seed.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

    Things you need:

    A Usenet provider such as EasyNews or Astraweb. Usenet services host the content. Be aware that some services like GigaNews just rehost from the same pool of servers as a lot of others, also can be a tad scummy. There’s a lot to look into here for features like connection limits, retention, and download speed. You can also purchase “block accounts” which let you buy blocks of data to use on demand with no expiration. Astraweb is great for this as a secondary source since they have their own servers and can host different content than other hosts. Look for promo codes online when signing up for one as you can usually get solid rates via referrals for like $7-$15 a month. Block accounts can run like $25 for 100GB of download. You can see which servers overlap here at this link courtesy of @Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca

    A Usenet downloading client like SabNZBD for downloading NZB files (pronounced: newzbins)

    An Indexer, such as Drunken Slug, NZBGeek, NZB Finder, or OMGWTFNZBs. Indexers help you find the content you’re looking for in the giant pool of hosted content on Usenet services. Usually good to have more than 1 indexer, even if using a free account on another. Usually run about $15 a year.

    Usenet can be tied into Arrs programs like Sonarr and Radarr for automated downloading which makes things a lot easier especially when you set up your library correctly. See Trash Guides for help with this.

    Personally I recommend running this all through Docker, but it’s not necessary.

    Also even with Usenet, I’d still recommend a VPN. Can never be too safe.

    Edit: added link from @Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca’s comment below

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    You've done a pretty good job here, so I'll just add this:

    A map of providers and some info on their benefits.

    https://www.ngprovider.com/current-usenet-map.php

    There's also a ton of info about usenet, how it works, and what to look for, on that site. (you may have to manually go to the homepage to see the rest)

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Thanks so much for this.

    So like, I'm looking to spend at least $15/month unless I can get a discount via a promo code? Might as well start paying for Netflix at that point. Right now I'm running up $0/month with access to anything I want at top speeds for my high speed connection. I don't know if using Usenet is worth it for my situation.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    IIRC there’s some cheaper ones out there around $5, but it’s been a long time since I’ve shopped for a Usenet service. The way I look at it is I’m not having to pay for Netflix, Prime, Peacock, Disney +, HBO, HiDive, etc. just to watch the shows and movies I want. I do pay for Crunchyroll, but that’s mostly because I don’t want to pull and store long shows like One Piece, but that might change with their recent price increase.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    The way I look at it is I’m not having to pay for Netflix [etc]

    Right, same with my private torrent tracker but for $0/month. I don't think Usenet is for me, I guess. Maybe if my tracker gets nuked somehow, which it hasn't after like 20 years, then I'll have to consider Usenet. 😅

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    For me, Usenet isn't about availability; but speed, risk exposure, and convenience.

    Torrents take longer, even with lots of quality seeds and fast network speeds; mostly because of the seeding process. Plus, while you are seeding: you have to publicly expose yourself as a content host, even if just through a VPN. Hosts are what copyright holders target, they don't GAF about the people downloading, they try to take down the hosts to stop the spread. Finally you have to keep the content you downloaded in the format you downloaded, at least until seeding is done.

    I prefer to use Tdarr to automatically transcode downloaded content into h265 (HEVC) to reduce it's size. Most content is found in h264 (AVC); converting it, on average, reduces its size by ~30% while maintaining good quality. Overall this step has saved me at least ~7TB so far (Tdarr reports it's saved 4.8TB, but I converted a ton of stuff with Embys convert feature before implementing Tdarr). That conversion can only be done after seeding or the torrent breaks as the original files are no longer available to seed. Usenet removes the seeding step completely, so I can do whatever I want with the files as soon as they've downloaded, which in it self only takes 5min.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    VPN is probably a good idea regardless of what you use, yeah. I haven't used a VPN in 20+ years of pirating. 😅 Probably a bad idea. 🫣

    Torrents I'm fine with seeding. I never stop seeding my downloads. More data for the people!

    I only download H.265 releases, so no need to reencode. I just dump all my downloaded movies in a movies/ directory, and all my shows in series/{Show Name}/{season XX boxset}/. Plex recognized everything fine, and now Jellyfin does as well after ditching Plex (because Plex don't give af about their users, as I've noticed, story for another time).

    I'm surprised Usenet content is mostly just H.264. sounds a bit behind the times.

    Anyway, filled one 4 TB recently which is like ten years old, recently been getting closer and closer to filling a 10 TB drive, and got a completely unused 24 TB drive waiting to be installed. Bought while storage was still cheap. 😅 Should be set for the coming years.

    That together with the top speeds of my tracker, and free price, hard to beat unless you're worried about your ISP cracking down on you (which I'm not really as I'm based east of the pond).

    I think I'll hold off on Usenet for the time being.

    I appreciate all the advice! 🌹

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    I don't have time atm, I'm literally leaving for work rn; but I'll write up some details later tonight if nobody else has.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Following

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    You need a download client (eg. SABnzbd) and an account with an indexer (which will cost money). To automate the process of downloading you can put things like Sonarr/Radarr/Lidarr on top, but those are optional.

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