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Musk’s fossil data centres are undoing Tesla’s climate benefit (ketanjoshi.co)
submitted 8 months ago by to c/climate@slrpnk.net
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[–] 16 points 8 months ago (13 children)

It is a net positive than what we're doing now. But doesnt resolve the problem of individual vechile reliance.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (12 children)

    Is that clear? What I’ve heard (and believe) is that keeping your old clunker is the most environmentally friendly thing to do. If you don’t think the environment begins and ends at the tailpipe, that is.

    Well, the most environmentally friendly thing you can do is move to a walkable neighborhood, work from home, and ride a bicycle to drop the kids off at school.

    People want to vote with their dollars and feel smug without doing any research or making any compromises to their lifestyle, though.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It depends on the electricity fuel blend. So in the past if you had a lot of coal it could take a long time to "pay back" the carbon cost of a new EV. But as more and more renewables are coming online that payback period is getting shorter and shorter. In most places if they've put at least some effort into bringing down carbon emissions, EVs are a substantial improvement.

    Of course, walking, biking, transit are all far superior. But if those aren't viable for some trips then EV is the next best option.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (8 children)

    How many 20plus year old cars do you see? People obviously are replacing them. And theres other reasons to replace old cars other than fuel economy such as safety improvements.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

    Where do you get “20 years?” And what does that matter? I mean, yeah, I do. Some prime mid-2000s Altimas with destroyed bumpers roll around my neighborhood.

    The average lifespan of a car is 10 years. I buy 5-year-old cars and keep them for another five. If it’s undriveable, a scrap yard can part it out and keep similar cars on the road longer.

    And a five to ten year old car isn’t a death trap.

    I notice you conveniently ignored the points I made about things that would actually be good for the environment. Your EV isn’t reducing all the other harmful effects of driving aside from carbon dioxide, and even that’s not a clean win.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (4 children)

    Ok... so when you drive every single vehicle into the dirt now what? Stop being dense.

    Also i didnt ignore your point. You just expanded on my point. So thanks i guess.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I already said “now what.”

    One of us dense — that we can agree on.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    You litterally said the "average lifespan of car" is 10 years. Which means wait for it... people replacing them with new vehicles. You and I in agreement that the true solution is reducing personal vehicles dependency. But you trying to discourage EV adoption isnt helping anyone.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Where did I say people shouldn’t buy an EV? I said keeping your current car, given it’s driveable, is more environmentally friendly than buying a new car.

    Are you able to win an argument against anyone but a strawman?

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