ulterno comments on The problem with socialism

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Except that they neither identify as socialists, nor do they care about the other's *-ism.
So you see, one neither needs to be any *-ist nor requires to accept all terms of any group, to be able to have +ive interactions with them. The only time that is required, is when it is an extremist group.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago (9 children)

I think you're way too hung up on labels. Why do you give a shit what somebody else calls themselves? Maybe you've just been meeting socialists that know you have a weird anti"-ism" thing, so they just don't use that word and instead describe ideas to you (which is a fairly common tactic to take around somebody that is slightly unhinged). Nobody said everybody needs to be any kind of anything. There are lots of helpful people to socialist causes who don't consider themselves to be socialists. That's called critical support is is highly valued.

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[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

you’ve just been meeting socialists that know you have a weird anti"-ism" thing

No. I have been meeting people who don't even know about the word.

You sound like:
"All good guys are ours."
"All bad guy claiming to be with us, are not really ours."

way too hung up on labels

When the label is your agenda and you are calling me "hung up".

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago (7 children)

"Its 2026 and in my third week here on North Sentinel Island, I've discovered that, despite a century of a world super power using the word 'socialist' in the name of their country, somehow these people have never heard the word, 'socialism'".

That's how you sound.

Once again, I don't give a shit what people call themselves, so if they are good guys, they are on the same side as me, because that's the side I've chosen? People claiming to be socialists but they're not actually socialists, then they're not socialists. That's not a bad guy/good guy thing, that's just how words work.

Again, there are incredible people who have been vital to the socialist causes who would never call themselves socialist, and there are no problems with that.

My problem is with you specifically. The label isn't my agenda beyond just trying to get you to stop caring about what someone.calls themselves and start caring about what they do.

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[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

“Its 2026 and in my third week here on North Sentinel Island, I’ve discovered that, despite a century of a world super power using the word ‘socialist’ in the name of their country, somehow these people have never heard the word, ‘socialism’”.

Well, some people just never learnt English

trying to get you to stop caring about what someone.calls themselves and start caring about what they do.

Guess what? I always ever really cared about what people do. And someone calling themselves something is part of what they do, for whatever reasons they do.
I don't have a problem with this part. My problem is the direction you take after this conclusion. Words will always mean something to people and when someone calls themselves a part of some groups or when someone calls others a part of their group, politics takes over from that point. That affects the masses and masses have power.
So even if I actively try to stay out of said "masses", doesn't mean it won't affect me.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

That word only exists in English? That's weird, I wonder then how so many people from non-Engliah speaking countries learned about it then?

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[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Yeah I was being facetious.
But a better way to say that is - Not everyone has the time to subscribe to all such things, no matter how widespread it is. And I am saying this as one that literally has "Socialist" in the constitution of my country.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Then, I don't know what to say to you. Having conversations with low information people with yield low information results. That is in no way relevant to what we're talking about. You might as well have said "Yeah, but lots of people I know have never even heard the word 'fission' before" while in a thread talking about nuclear science.

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[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

Exactly my point.
People can have low/no information about your domain and still be helpful people.

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[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

Please go back and read the several different times I say exactly that in my previous comments. We don't disagree about that. We just seem to disagree that people who do use "-ism" labels can also be helpful people.

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[–] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 8 months ago

people who do use “-ism” labels can also be helpful people.

I don't disagree about that either.

What I am saying is that (now again having to reiterate what I said before) if you use a *-ism extensively without properly defining it, you end up giving power to a phenomenon you don't get to control. And someone with the ability to control it, can come in and use it for nefarious purposes, as stated in previous comments.

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