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AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations (www.newscientist.com)
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[–] 6 points 8 months ago (13 children)

No human has ever deployed tactical nukes against a nuclear capable enemy.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    "no human" but Machines would, since they are unaffected by nuclear winter and radiation.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    And they don't have cognition at all. They do not, and can not, think like we do. Maybe some day we will learn to make real AI, these LLM's are not it. It's a cheap trick intelligence,.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Radiation absolutely fucks electronic components

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (3 children)

    The electromagnetic pulse caused by a nuke would pop resisters too. AI would more likely use biological means to get rid of us.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Like heating the planet another degree and starving us out of existence by killing off biodiversity until the crops die out... Like they're doing now?

    (I say "Us" when I just really mean the 99% of people that haven't got self sufficient underground complexes)

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I think the emp is pretty limited to the blast zone in frying electronics. The fallout from a weapon spreads around the world, circling in the winds countless times dropping dust everywhere, but the emp is localized to more around the area of physical destruction but not sure exactly.

    The Neutron bombs, not entirely sure in physics how that works, but they produce no actual blast that causes physical destruction so much and just kills everything.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I repeat, radiation absolutely fucks electronic components. I am not talking about an emp, I am talking about radiation.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Oh, how far from the blast and how does it mess them up do you know? I should know that I guess I just heard about the emp, and not sure how a neutron bomb would affect electronics either.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    No, that I can't answer — it would depend entirely on the level of fallout and where it happens to land.

    You would need to be able to perfectly, and I mean perfectly, predict weather months in advance in order to prepare accordingly.

    The reaility is that for an AI, or rather an AGI, to make the choice to launch nukes would require them to reach a point where they accept the potential loss of their own 'life' in exchange for whatever value a nuclear war might hold. I struggle to believe that a 'true' AGI would make that choice. There are far too many variables to control in comparison to a biological agent, one that likely would not affect a machine.

    Now, a modern AI making that choice? Absolutely possible, the things are fucking crazy with literally no concept of what life is.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    An AI can easily start nuclear war, as can a human.

    The only thing preventing a nuclear disaster are all the institutional measures limiting its accessiblity.

    If you gave a single human (or a single AI) access to a magic no-strings-attached 'Send a Nuke' button, either the human/AI is the second coming of Jesus Christ, or a nuke will befall some unlucky portion of the population sooner or later. Bonus points if people can talk to the AI or if access to the button is hereditary.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    If you think computers aren't affected by radiation or nuclear winter I've got some bad news about where their power comes from and what the main principle of electricity is

    What you're thinking of is Terminator

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