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Hopefully, he will be 6 underground by that time. (lemmy.world)
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[–] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (22 children)

But also, we have so much shit to fix here that it'll be a bit until we get there. We've already squandered telling Israel to stop their shit.

Bullshit, if we wanted the Palestinian Genocide to stop we could make Israel stop with a single phonecall.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    It ultimately doesn't matter. Regardless of the outcome of the election, things weren't going to change in the short term. It wasn't an issue that was relevant to the election because of this.

    At least there was a small chance that Harris was toeing the AIPAC line to get last minute campaign funding, then would change her stance back to what it was when she was VP.

    I didn't follow her campaign remarks on the genocide super closely, but what I did see from her was always a political non-answer.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Regardless of the outcome of the election, things weren't going to change in the short term. It wasn't an issue that was relevant to the election because of this.

    It is voters that decide what is relevant, not the politicians.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    Then the voters are stupid. There was no realistic option in the 2024 election that was guaranteed good for Palestine. Period.

    By abstaining from voting, you said that you were fine with two+ genocides instead of one.

    You don't always get perfect choices for political candidates, but in this instance one choice was orders of magnitude worse than the other. And now instead of getting 4 years to try to push progressivism, we get an untold amount of time fighting against trump and his handlers.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (4 children)

    No, this is not how it works and the Democratic party will not win until it stops with this condescending voters shit.

    If politicians refuse to listen to voters, the system is irrevocably headed for collapse, it seems like maybe you are in denial about that?

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    So you were one of the people who were cool with letting Trump enact Project 2025.

    It's not like his behavior is a surprise. They literally published exactly what they were going to do and are doing it.

    Protest voting or abstaining in the 2024 presidential election didn't hurt the DNC, and it didn't teach them a lesson. It hurt you and every other vulnerable person in the country. It hurt people dependent of USAID, it hurt the Ukrainians, it hurt Cuba, and it hurt Venezuela.

    It certainly didn't help Palestine.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Stopping putting words in my mouth that I did not say and have an actual conversation with the person in front of you, not this strawman you keep shoving in front of me while I am trying to make a different point that you refuse to listen to because you are sure I did something and am proud of it that I have repeatedly said I did not do.

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  • [+] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    She didn't give a "non answer". That's not in a vacuum. She was part of the admin that was funding and supplying a genocide. So a non answer is the status quo. Which is genocide.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    The Biden administration openly lied to the public. It was funny how smirkin' Matt Miller even admitted that what they were doing was wrong...conveniently when he was no longer in a position to do anything about it: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-03/matthew-miller-israel-war-crimes-us-state-department/105369528

    Committing genocide to steal land that will likely be uninhabitable in 30 years due to climate change is certainly a choice.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    What would that phone call entail?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    "Hi Benny, no more weapons for you :) Call me back babe if you want to talk about it."

    When Netanyahu calls back in a panic, simply repeat the phrase "stop the genocide or we will never give you military assistance again" until he hangs up.

    It really doesn't matter what words you choose, Israel is a colonial outpost of the US, we utterly control the trajectory of the nation and to pretend otherwise is to swipe an absolutely astounding amount of military, monetary and political enablement under the rug that we have showered endlessly on Israel while it slaughters Palestinians.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    And then the US pro-Israel lobby call their senators who inform that if Mr Caller still wants to be employed in a few days, the guns need to keep flowing.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    And then that politician spectacularly loses in the next election even though they outspent their opponent by 10 times and it helps sink the idea that AIPAC is still powerful or holds any sway over the opinions of the average person in the US.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The most popular politicians in the US are vocal about stopping the Palestinian Genocide, so yeah I absolutely would take that strategy if I was going to run.

    Do you have.... any basis for your beliefs or is this just all feelings and no facts for you?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Wait, which is it. Are Palestinian supporters too few to care about, or were they numerous enough to blame for the election loss? Cause you're doing the classic fascist "our enemies are both incredibly weak and incredibly strong" bit.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago*

    Those people don't fucking vote.

    Give sources for your evidence or stop repeating lazy narratives like this. You devalue this entire conversation by diluting the meaningful parts of it with your arguments towards people you imagine exist and are most definitely in the room right now with us like some kind of ghost you keep insisting is present that none of the rest of us can see.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    And that is a very recent turnaround. It’s only been very recently that people have started to come around on Israel.

    Uh...it was turning around like mid 2024. This is from March of 2024, and the numbers only keep falling from there:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

    I'm only looking at Independents and Democrats; I don't care about the % for the Republicans since they weren't going to vote for Harris either way.

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  • [+] -7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I just don't believe that at all. The power the US holds has long faded into a shadow of its former self. I'm not even sure Trump could convince BB of the best breakfast spot in manhattan. Regardless of what the POTUS wants to happen in the Middle East, the Middle East will continue to do its thing.

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