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YouTube adds new hurdles for ad blockers, and there's currently no way around it (www.androidauthority.com)
submitted 8 months ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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[–] 148 points 8 months ago (29 children)

This is why I will never get premium. You pay the motherfuckers money and still have to take it up the ass.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago*

    I'll never get it because first-party ads are only a small part of the problem. Shitty rec algos, Shorts absolutely rammed the fuck down your throat, third-party ads, dislike counters, gaslighting you about the resolution, clickbait blockers, cross platform feed, etc. These are all solved with third party clients.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I’ve expressed this a few times already on Lemmy to little fanfare to say the least, but I use YouTube a lot. I use it a lot on my phone. I’d use it offline on planes. I want to pay for it. But I’m a yucky VPN user and I’m not even allowed to pay a blanket inflated price for it.

    The algorithm is still absolutely amazing for music discovery. I already have channels I automatically yank things via YT-DLG from, but like using the service normally is nice too. I don’t see ads on my computer, but I suspect they might be feeding me extra ads on the phone to compensate. Because if this is the standard ad density for phone users it is vomitingly absurd.

    Theoretically the folks you watch get paid from the fee. I don’t hate that system. I’m willing to pay, my payment is ready, I’m willing to pay 5 or 20 or however many bucks for it. But using a VPN to watch YouTube on a paid account can get your account banned. Incredible stuff. This is just about the only media subscription I can see myself using. And they’re cutting off all VPN users like that.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    For what it's worth, I used a VPN on my Premium account many times over several years and never got banned, or even a warning. I would specifically use it to watch videos that were not normally available in my region.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Yeah but if you were a YouTube Premium subscriber surely you'd disable the adblocker on youtube.com so you never get this issue.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Why? So they can serve you ads on top of something you're already paying money for?

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    But... you do not get ads if you have Premium, that's the point.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    There have been some users reporting they get ads despite being Premium users, especially in regards to Youtube's efforts to bypass adblockers (even if they weren't using one). I always assumed that's because their measures were misidentifying the lack of ads as using an ad blocker, even if that lack was due to using premium.

    Just wanted to give an actual explanation. I'm not qualified to actually confirm or deny whether those user reports were factual or made up. But people usually consider them factual because of herd mentality.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    You occasionally still get ads, even with premium.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I've had premium for a couple years now, no idea what you're talking about

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    I had it for more than 5 years before abandoning it. I still got ads. I'd complain and YouTube would tell me it was a rare bug, or my browser, or the phase of the moon. They'd promise it'd never happen again and it still kept happening. I suspect it was a test to see what they could get away with.

    Others in the comments have similar stories.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I... Honestly don't even think about my adblocker enough to even think to disable certain websites in it. Generally if I like a site enough to disable ads, I'll also generally like them enough to pay them more money than they would have gotten from me turning ads off for a year

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    there's no point. I tried the free trial of youtube premium cause i'm on Qutebrowser and the adblocking isn't the greatest. even with Premium i'd still randomly get ads every now and then. IF i were paying for it I'd be pissed.

    Now I circumvent this by just opening all the videos in MPV.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    With respect, I don't believe you. I paid for Premium for half a decade and never saw a single ad. I stopped my sub and will advise people against it going forward, but your claim is highly suspect to me.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    These kinds of things are often A B testing to see what they can get away with - especially in countries like the US where consumer protection laws basically don't matter. It's kinda like when they raise subscription prices in one country but not another, but with showing some people in that country a certain amount of ads per watch time vs another group with a different amount of ads. They see how much they can get away with before people start complaining, and then what they can get away with before people start cancelling.

    I watched a video just this morning talking about how YouTube has built-in systems for similar A B testing with video thumbnails to tell creators which gets more watch time. You give it 2 thumbnails and it randomizes which one people see, and then tracks click-through rates and watch time percentages before giving you a result of which one performs better.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    There's a difference between AB testing, and fraud. Charging someone a sub cost to not see ads, and then AB testing if you can get away with still showing them ads, is fraud. If they saw ads with Premium, it's a million times more likely it was an error, but I frankly just don't believe it. That's just my opinion.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Have you been paying like... literally any attention to US corpo activities lately? Fraud is not only not being punished, but actively rewarded, so long as you bend the knee to Trump, which Google has.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    You're laboring under the impression that consumer protection laws mean anything in the US. They don't. Unless it's something absolutely egregious, then maybe they might get a slap on the wrist. Maybe.

    Another perfect example is my buddy who was looking at digital watches yesterday. The same watch was $100 more expensive on Amazon than at Walmart, and Prime prices are often higher than if you don't have Prime. I've also had Amazon completely lie to me about an item being on sale, claiming that it was 50% off on a Prime day sale, and then when I went and checked it the day after it turned out that it had been more like $5 off than the several hundred they claimed the sale would've saved. They marked it up wildly just to pretend that it was on sale. And they're not the only ones to have been caught doing that. Plenty of other places have been caught doing the same thing, but since they're big companies, unless you can get a settlement from a class action suit, nobody cares.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I didn't say it was constant. I only said every now and again on the free trial I'd get an ad. Maybe it's because I only used it with Qutebrowser. I don't know. but I know that sometimes I would get an ad on a video.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (5 children)

    my folks pay for premium, and i have to sit through constant tide or liberty mutual commercials surrounding every video when i visit. i asked why they pay for premium and they say it’s worse without it

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    Are you sure they don't have Premium Lite?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    what tf is premium lite? and to add, why tf is premium lite?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    A cheaper tier than Premium that offers fewer features. Along with this, there's still some ads.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    wow, like that’s the worst of all worlds

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I actually think there is some value in the way YT is trying to do it versus other streamer sites. Most are not available to you at all for free, even with ads. And then you can pay, but get ads, or you can pay more to get no ads (or still get some, in the case of like Prime Video that serves ads for their own shows but don't call those ads for some reason).

    This is not a recommendation for it, to be clear.

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