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Google Says People Are Copying Its AI Without Its Permission, Much Like It Scraped Everybody's Data Without Asking to Create Its AI in the First Place (futurism.com)
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Google accused "commercially motivated" actors of trying to clone its Gemini AI after indiscriminately scraping the web for its models.

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[–] 33 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

It's mental. The terms and conditions of some AI music generators will make people pay for a "license" to use the output for example for commercial purposes. They themselves of course claim "fair use" and steal all the music out there to train their models. I think some companies now don't claim ownership any more, for images and video snippets. And of course AI output isn't copyright-able in the first place.

The companies will occasionally use their trademarks, intellectual property or copyright against people. Of course those rules don't apply the other way around. It's completely fine their product draws all Disney princesses, comic and anime characters and reproduces half of Harry Potter. But beware someone names something with "Claude" in the name. Of course Google follows the same logic with this.

And then my homepage gets hammered with their stupid AI crawlers, but I have to abide by the terms and conditions of their services...

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Supposedly, copyright needs to be defended or it is lost. It would never happen, but it'd be interesting if the companies allowing data scrapers and chatbots to violate their IP actually destroyed their own claim to copy right protections.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Yes. I don't think it's settled yet. There's still many trials going on. The industry still tries to push the limits, including really weird stuff like Elon Musk probing if it's okay to allow deep-fakes of random existing women and minors. I think lawmakers are having a difficult time to keep up with the pace. AI companies drown them with their near unlimited resources. We need to come up with new regulation. Fight all the court battles, overhaul copyright and discuss things in society... And then there's preexisting influential structures, like Disney, the copyright industry... Sometimes they're on opposing sides, sometimes they dabble in AI as well... I mean it's complicated. And a long process. And it's difficult to defend things. I mean I also defend my server. But it's more an open war than anything with rules and terms.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    I think lawmakers are having an easy time accepting bribes from AI companies, actually. The pace is only a problem because they are being paid to slow down.

    The courts are more interesting, because they actually have to make decisions instead of just deliberating forever.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Depends a bit on the country. In the United States, for sure. That's just open corruption and you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. The government funnels $500bn taxpayer money into some Project Stargate, and God knows how much into really dark stuff with Palantir. Musk even "worked" for the government for a while... And next to the corruption money, these people are buddies. And they're all working towards the same goal. Some idea of an apocalypse.

    In China, I don't think they need to bribe the government. It was the CCP who came up with the idea in the first place. And the AI race between China and the USA is yet another thing.

    For Europe, I'm not so sure. There's a bit more nuance here? I mean Ursula von der Leyen is an AI shill as well. She frequently likes to talk about it. I don't think there's as much open bribery, though. And I still hope they're aware of the situation with US companies, how we diverge in our goals, and partnering with Palantir or X is likely going to end us up in a lot of pain... And the EU loves to regulate. And our own AI companies aren't as big. So there's that as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    China is an interesting inversion of the US. In the US, the government is invested in the AI race because they've been bribed and because the money line go up. In China, the government was invested in the AI race before the bubble started to inflate and is instead pushing its own companies to invest in AI. Basically: in the US markets are in command, in China politics are in command.

    It'll be really interesting to see how the two countries respond to the bubble bursting.

    As for Europe, there's been some murmurings about tech sovereignty which are really exciting to me. They need to get out of US tech, whether that means they put a lot more focus on building European AI firms or they just get out of AI entirely.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago*

    Being pro-copyright is giving the keys to record companies though. They would be the only ones with a "legal" model. Udio got bought by universal not too long ago but as long as laws aren't rewritten for the benefit of mega corps and copyright juggernauts, open source will ruin all the shenanigans they are trying to pull.

    It's the same for all the text models. Open source is destroying openais business model. They need laws that restrict what you can train on so they can buy themselves a monopoly.

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