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[–] 4 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Baking a loaf is just part of the process of obtaining a loaf. If the value of that part relative to the value of the loaf is the same as the size of a slice relative to the size of the loaf, then yes, math does check out.

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    All of what you said could be true, and still this pic would be dumb.

    Even if there are no corporations, basically every product is done thanks to the effort of multiple people. If 20 people build a house together, they can't sell that house and each of them buy a similar house with that money. That's just not how reality works.

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    That's not what this post is about. Someone that spends 8 hours a day five days a week in any 1st world country can afford plenty of leaves of bread. Doesn't matter if they're a baker, a cashier, an engineer, or a metalworker.

    The reason you can't bake a single loaf and buy another is not because the CEO ate your loaf. The reason is because you had to buy an oven, ingredients, and the energy to turn that oven on.

    You could argue how little executives contribute to society. My argument is that even if there were no executives, you wouldn't be free according to this pic. Not even in a communist or anarchist society.

    As long as there is the labor of more than one person involved at all in producing anything, selling that product will not earn you enough to buy it back since you have to give part of that to the other people that put in their labor for that product.

    I am honestly in awe that there are so many people that can't comprehend this.

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    Then you're making a way different argument than what the post is making.

    The post says that a baker that bakes a loaf should be able to afford a loaf.

    You're now saying that whoever works X hours should be able to buy Y things. This is very different.

    First of all, not all hours of labor are worth the same. And if you believe that, you're delusional. In my opinion, a farmer that grows food for 8 hours a day should be able to afford more bread than someone that spends 8 hours a day digging a hole and filling it back up again.

    And a farmer that is hardworking and manages to produce 10 kg of grain per hour should be able to afford more than a lazy one producing 0.5kg per hour.

    All 3 of those did 8 hours of labor.

    The reason your argument is way off the post is that the post is very clear what the labor is (baking 1 loaf). And what the compensation is expected (1 loaf).

    You are neither clear about the labor (8h 5 days of unknown kind of labor), nor about the expected compensation (rent, utilities, healthcare, transport, balanced nutrition).

    I can agree that all real jobs if done with an acceptable performance for 40h/week should be able to afford all that + more if those expenses are reasonable (a mansion rent and 1bedroom apartment rent are both rent). But how much is "more"?

    But that is neither the point of this post, nor the point of the argument.

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    I don't think you are arguing in good faith. And you're trying to derail this conversation in 20 different directions so I'm going to ignore 90% of your comment.

    The reason the "subtext" is irrelevant is because there's no reason for it.

    It's like making a post saying "all cats should be provided by restaurant-level handcrafted meals paid by the government". Then I comment "that is stupid and unsustainable". Then you come here saying "it's not stupid, every MINUTE there are cats dying of hunger all around the world! The post is not about restaurant-level meals! It's about feeding the poor unfortunate kitten that have been abandoned! Are you a soulless cat-hating human?"

    And digging a hole just to fill it back again does not fix any pipes :) it just makes the soil a little bit looser.

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    I have argued why I don't believe you're arguing in good faith. And your response to that is saying that I don't either.

    You haven't either said why my argument is wrong nor why I am arguing in bad faith.

    You just keep ignoring my points and accusing me of things without any argument behind the accusations.

    So until you provide any argument for your accusations and start responding to my arguments. I will refuse to argue with you.

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