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[+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 46 points 9 months ago (16 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 9 months ago (10 children) That's capitalism for you. But also Linux, where it's typical to upstream hardware support and rely on existing ecosystems rather than release addon drivers or niche supporting apps. China has made some strategic investments in Linux over the years though -- often domestically targeted, like Red Flag Linux, and drivers for chinese hardware, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) There is plenty of consumer hardware that is supported on Linux, or will be as soon as a kernel developer gets their hands on it, reverse engineers the protocol if necessary, and adds support. For things like keyboards, there are often proprietary extensions (eg. for built-in displays, macros, etc.). It pays to check for Linux support before buying hardware though. Sometimes it's not the kernel drivers, but supporting software (eg. Steam input) that might not support it. First class vendor support for Linux is more common for niche/premium hardware designed in the west, than cheap chinese knockoffs that follow it. Long term customer support is not their strong suit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) What do you mean lacking support for keyboards and controllers? Maybe for doing weird custom stuff like RGB, but for anything else they're standard HIDs and will work with anything, no "support" needed. You can plug a USB keyboard and mouse into your phone and it'll work if you want. I'm currently playing Clair Obscur on linux through steam with a cheap fake xbox controller I got off ebay, and it works perfectly. I'm using an Nvidia card too, and I haven't had to do any customisation or anything. Easy anti-cheat won't work, so Valorant/Fortnite, etc. are out of the question for now, but any games that don't use that kind of malware are probably fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah, makes sense. You're right about firmware updaters, and I don't know if I'd trust one running under Wine anyway tbh. Who knows what weird system calls they make assuming you're running Windows 95 or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) But also Linux, where it’s typical to upstream hardware support and rely on existing ecosystems rather than release addon drivers or niche supporting apps. Still possible though, right? It does afterall support out of tree device drivers now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Sure... but why would el cheapo hardware want/need to support proprietary drivers? Now, for premium hardware and software, they might still want vendor lock-in mechanisms... So unless you absolutely have to, you should avoid hardware on Linux that needs proprietary drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago So either way, it make it better to support Linux over MS Windows. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Most of the handheld consoles they sell run Linux of some variety. It's just a question of what is marketable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago (3 children) China has no need for open source because they steal everything anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) Likewise. Don't expect it from China though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 9 months ago (10 children) That's capitalism for you. But also Linux, where it's typical to upstream hardware support and rely on existing ecosystems rather than release addon drivers or niche supporting apps. China has made some strategic investments in Linux over the years though -- often domestically targeted, like Red Flag Linux, and drivers for chinese hardware, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) There is plenty of consumer hardware that is supported on Linux, or will be as soon as a kernel developer gets their hands on it, reverse engineers the protocol if necessary, and adds support. For things like keyboards, there are often proprietary extensions (eg. for built-in displays, macros, etc.). It pays to check for Linux support before buying hardware though. Sometimes it's not the kernel drivers, but supporting software (eg. Steam input) that might not support it. First class vendor support for Linux is more common for niche/premium hardware designed in the west, than cheap chinese knockoffs that follow it. Long term customer support is not their strong suit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) What do you mean lacking support for keyboards and controllers? Maybe for doing weird custom stuff like RGB, but for anything else they're standard HIDs and will work with anything, no "support" needed. You can plug a USB keyboard and mouse into your phone and it'll work if you want. I'm currently playing Clair Obscur on linux through steam with a cheap fake xbox controller I got off ebay, and it works perfectly. I'm using an Nvidia card too, and I haven't had to do any customisation or anything. Easy anti-cheat won't work, so Valorant/Fortnite, etc. are out of the question for now, but any games that don't use that kind of malware are probably fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah, makes sense. You're right about firmware updaters, and I don't know if I'd trust one running under Wine anyway tbh. Who knows what weird system calls they make assuming you're running Windows 95 or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) But also Linux, where it’s typical to upstream hardware support and rely on existing ecosystems rather than release addon drivers or niche supporting apps. Still possible though, right? It does afterall support out of tree device drivers now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Sure... but why would el cheapo hardware want/need to support proprietary drivers? Now, for premium hardware and software, they might still want vendor lock-in mechanisms... So unless you absolutely have to, you should avoid hardware on Linux that needs proprietary drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago So either way, it make it better to support Linux over MS Windows. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) There is plenty of consumer hardware that is supported on Linux, or will be as soon as a kernel developer gets their hands on it, reverse engineers the protocol if necessary, and adds support. For things like keyboards, there are often proprietary extensions (eg. for built-in displays, macros, etc.). It pays to check for Linux support before buying hardware though. Sometimes it's not the kernel drivers, but supporting software (eg. Steam input) that might not support it. First class vendor support for Linux is more common for niche/premium hardware designed in the west, than cheap chinese knockoffs that follow it. Long term customer support is not their strong suit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) What do you mean lacking support for keyboards and controllers? Maybe for doing weird custom stuff like RGB, but for anything else they're standard HIDs and will work with anything, no "support" needed. You can plug a USB keyboard and mouse into your phone and it'll work if you want. I'm currently playing Clair Obscur on linux through steam with a cheap fake xbox controller I got off ebay, and it works perfectly. I'm using an Nvidia card too, and I haven't had to do any customisation or anything. Easy anti-cheat won't work, so Valorant/Fortnite, etc. are out of the question for now, but any games that don't use that kind of malware are probably fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah, makes sense. You're right about firmware updaters, and I don't know if I'd trust one running under Wine anyway tbh. Who knows what weird system calls they make assuming you're running Windows 95 or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) There is plenty of consumer hardware that is supported on Linux, or will be as soon as a kernel developer gets their hands on it, reverse engineers the protocol if necessary, and adds support. For things like keyboards, there are often proprietary extensions (eg. for built-in displays, macros, etc.). It pays to check for Linux support before buying hardware though. Sometimes it's not the kernel drivers, but supporting software (eg. Steam input) that might not support it. First class vendor support for Linux is more common for niche/premium hardware designed in the west, than cheap chinese knockoffs that follow it. Long term customer support is not their strong suit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago (3 children) What do you mean lacking support for keyboards and controllers? Maybe for doing weird custom stuff like RGB, but for anything else they're standard HIDs and will work with anything, no "support" needed. You can plug a USB keyboard and mouse into your phone and it'll work if you want. I'm currently playing Clair Obscur on linux through steam with a cheap fake xbox controller I got off ebay, and it works perfectly. I'm using an Nvidia card too, and I haven't had to do any customisation or anything. Easy anti-cheat won't work, so Valorant/Fortnite, etc. are out of the question for now, but any games that don't use that kind of malware are probably fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah, makes sense. You're right about firmware updaters, and I don't know if I'd trust one running under Wine anyway tbh. Who knows what weird system calls they make assuming you're running Windows 95 or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah, makes sense. You're right about firmware updaters, and I don't know if I'd trust one running under Wine anyway tbh. Who knows what weird system calls they make assuming you're running Windows 95 or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Ah, makes sense. You're right about firmware updaters, and I don't know if I'd trust one running under Wine anyway tbh. Who knows what weird system calls they make assuming you're running Windows 95 or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) But also Linux, where it’s typical to upstream hardware support and rely on existing ecosystems rather than release addon drivers or niche supporting apps. Still possible though, right? It does afterall support out of tree device drivers now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Sure... but why would el cheapo hardware want/need to support proprietary drivers? Now, for premium hardware and software, they might still want vendor lock-in mechanisms... So unless you absolutely have to, you should avoid hardware on Linux that needs proprietary drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago So either way, it make it better to support Linux over MS Windows. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Sure... but why would el cheapo hardware want/need to support proprietary drivers? Now, for premium hardware and software, they might still want vendor lock-in mechanisms... So unless you absolutely have to, you should avoid hardware on Linux that needs proprietary drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago So either way, it make it better to support Linux over MS Windows. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 point 9 months ago So either way, it make it better to support Linux over MS Windows. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago Most of the handheld consoles they sell run Linux of some variety. It's just a question of what is marketable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago (3 children) China has no need for open source because they steal everything anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) Likewise. Don't expect it from China though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) Likewise. Don't expect it from China though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) Likewise. Don't expect it from China though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)