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Mamdani to kill the NYC AI chatbot caught telling businesses to break the law— New York mayor says terminating the ‘unusable’ bot will help close a budget gap (themarkup.org)

submitted 9 months ago by Beep@lemmus.org to c/technology@lemmy.world

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In a press conference this week on New York City’s $12 billion budget gap, Mayor Zohran Mamdani zeroed in on the previous administration’s artificial intelligence chatbot as one of “a number of different things we’re going to pursue for savings.”

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 9 months ago (7 children)

Tankies are fucking assholes, fascists are fucking assholes. Both things can be true at once

Yeah, because you disagree with two things doesn't make them equal. You want to bitch about tankies, go right ahead. You want to claim they're equal to fascists, you're doing the same stupidity liberals do with their horseshoe nonsense, and for the same reason - it lets you take the status quo as a best of all worlds, since anyone who opposes it is obviously an evil authoritarian asshole.

they think anyone who isn't on their side is on the opposite side

I'm not a tankie, yet you keep referring to me as such. So.

I was criticizing tankies for accusing Mamdani of being a fascist, which is a ridiculous assertion on all levels

It is. You're also pretending some schizo posting is an article in Pravda, which somehow still exists and is the party line. You make a strawman of what tankies believe, then claim anyone who disagrees with you is such, and pretend that's not equally ridiculous.

I'm not so fucking stupid that I think communists and fascists believe in the same ideals

The terms you use certainly imply that. So you should probably stop doing that if you don't want to be considered stupid in that regard.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

because you disagree with two things doesn't make them equal

Fascists often say "Just because you disagree with [fascism] doesn't make it evil!" as a way to deflect from their own moral culpability in their belief systems.

you're doing the same stupidity liberals do

I'd rather be a liberal than a fucking tankie. If I had to describe myself, I'm somewhere on the spectrum between social democrat and democratic socialist. If that makes me a liberal to you, then so be it.

since anyone who opposes it is obviously an evil authoritarian asshole.

No, that's what tankies do, accusing anyone who disagrees with them as being evil. I only accuse authoritarian assholes of being evil, and I do that whether they're tankies or literal fascists.

I'm not a tankie, yet you keep referring to me as such.

Well you're pulling a lot of water for tankies by trying to defend them...

You're also pretending some schizo posting is an article in Pravda... You make a strawman of what tankies believe

No, but something doesn't have to be an official party line for me to recognize patterns and trends. Tankies are all over the internet, especially on lemmy, peddling their bullshit. Don't fucking gaslight me by pretending that doesn't mean anything.

...then claim anyone who disagrees with you is such

Again, no, I dont claim anyone who disagrees with me is a tankie. I claim anyone who acts like a tankie, talks like a tankie, posts like a tankie, and argues in defense of tankies, is a tankie.

What you're doing is no different from when the literal fascists say "You can't just call anyone who disagrees with you a fascist!" I don't. I call fascists fascists.

In both cases there's a specific set of criteria they have to meet in order to reach that threshold. And in both cases those criteria include being overbearing, authoritarian extremists, glorifying violence, and being either intellectually dishonest or stunted. Whether they're doing it in the name of ethnonationalism or proletarian revolution is small change compared to those aspects.

And if you're about to label me as an "enemy of the proletariat" just because I'm against revolution until all possible alternatives have been exhausted, just know that that's something a tankie would do also.

The terms you use certainly imply that.

No, never once did I claim tankies are literal fascists or hold fascist ideologies. I said they act the same. From the get-go, I specified that I was referring to methodology rather than ideology. If you're incapable of making that distinction, that's on you.

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[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

What you're doing is no different from when the literal fascists say "You can't just call anyone who disagrees with you a fascist!" I don't. I call fascists fascists.

Actually it's not. Because you're calling people who are left-wing fascists. So either you don't know what fascism is, or you don't give a shit. Your nonsense about methodology rather than ideology is, per your own statements, meaningless.

And if you're about to

You really do love playing with your little strawman dolls, don't you?

If you're incapable of making that distinction

No, your thought is just confused and stupid.

Have fun with your gymnastics to justify your defense of the status quo. Your arguments are just "nuh uh! tankies bad! everyone I don't like is tankies!". So nothing of value is lost when I block you now.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

You're so fucking dense. You're the one making strawmen. Just because you can't comprehend my argument doesn't mean it's meaningless.

I know what leftism is, and I know that fascism is a far-right-wing ideology. I've stated that in plain terms multiple times, but you ignore that because it gives you an easier attack surface to pretend that I didn't.

I never said all people who are left-wing are fascists. I said tankies are basically the same as fascists. If you think all left-wingers are tankies, and anyone who's not a tankie isn't really left-wing, then you're a fucking tankie! And you're the one saying anyone who disagrees with you is bad, so stop projecting that shit on to me.

It doesn't fucking matter what ideology tankies hold, if their methodology is "kill anyone who doesn't agree with us," then they're no better than fascists! That's why they're functionally the same in my eyes. You're repeatedly ignoring the nuance of my argument to give yourself an easy target to knock down. That's called a fucking strawman.

Tankies are bad. But I never said everyone who disagrees with me is a tankie. You're just upset that I pointed out that you're acting like a tankie, and that's something a tankie would do. "No, I'm not a tankie! I just believe anyone who isn't a bolshevik is a class traitor!"

You're right about one thing though: nothing of value is lost when you block me. Good fucking riddance.

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