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-1 Fedi Social Credit (crazypeople.online)
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[–] 38 points 9 months ago (17 children)

Finally. I tried piefed for all of a few days. It was some kinda highschool level passive aggressive hand-holding circlejerk. The software equivalent of some hot jackass in the lunchroom pointing at a group of kids, saying "We don't talk to them, and you won't either if you wanna hang with us."

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  • [+] -12 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    Piefed literally sees what lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works else sees on the fediverse.

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    I support the right of every instance on Lemmy to build how they want, transparently. As you can see my main account is on .today and not .world or sh.itjust.works.

    But no, not literally. From https://join.piefed.social/features/ - this is the main site for piefed, not just .social:

    Authoritarian Inoculation – Feature to reduce the impact of authoritarian propaganda.

    I have some real concerns about what's considered authoritarian, considering...

    Default Blocks – Lemmygrad, Hexbear, and Nazi instances are blocked out of the box.

    A call back to my lunchroom analogy.

    Low Reputation Indicator – Identifies consistently downvoted users.

    Oof. That's some social credit sounding shit right there.

    4chan Filter – Flags content from 4chan for review.

    I wonder how it does that? I hope that's not just a hokey word filter.

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  • [+] -12 points 9 months ago* (13 children)

    I support the right of every instance on Lemmy to build how they want, transparently. As you can see my main account is on .today and not .world or sh.itjust.works.

    My point here is that piefed.social has pretty simular culture to lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works.

    I have some real concerns about what’s considered authoritarian, considering…

    Oof. That’s some social credit sounding shit right there.

    Its much simpler than that. Lemmy has a spam problem. People coming in to just make shill communities selling a service or product or spamming advert posts across communities.

    They usually get downvoted, but I can use Piefeds admin tools to filter for downvoted posts by new accounts. This usually catches most spammers like that. I can then ban them from piefed.social and pass that on to Lemmy admins.

    A lot of Day 1 trolls are caught like this too.

    I understand, not always, but most heavily downvoted accounts tend to be people looking for fights everywhere, people with long community and instance banlists etc.

    4chan Filter – Flags content from 4chan for review.

    This can be turned off by other instances.

    And there seems to be some confusion in some of the excerpts there because it is mostly referring to what piefed.social does, and not incumbent on all other instances to do so. It also looks unfinished.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago* (12 children)

    My point here is that piefed.social has pretty simular culture to lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works.

    So not "literally." That's the point I argued with.

    Lemmy has a spam problem. People coming in to just make shill communities selling a service or product or spamming advert posts across communities.

    I browse by subscribed. I support the right for everyone to choose what they see with minimal persuasion. I don't see this problem, if it exists.

    I understand, not always, but most heavily downvoted accounts tend to be people looking for fights everywhere, people with long community and instance banlists etc.

    I can make my own decisions about people without a flag next to their name. I vehemently oppose this feature.

    This can be turned off by other instances.

    My lunchroom analogy applies here. Users should be able to make their own minds.

    And there seems to be some confusion in some of the excerpts there because it is mostly referring to what piefed.social does, and not incumbent on all other instances to do so. It also looks unfinished.

    As I just said: this is the main site for piefed, not just .social:

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    So not “literally.” That’s the point I argued with.

    I don't see how it's inherently some sort of hugbox, as you claim.

    I browse by subscribed. I support the right for everyone to choose what they see with minimal persuasion. I don’t see this problem, if it exists.

    Good for you. But I am thinking at an instance level. Spam is actually a problem on platforms like this.

    If Lemmy was to triple in size tomorrow, it's base tools wouldn't be capable of dealing with it.

    I can make my own decisions about people without a flag next to their name. I vehemently oppose this feature.

    I just meant purely in terms of admins being able to see it. Whether or not it shows for users is another matter.

    As I just said: this is the main site for piefed, not just .social:

    Yes, I know. But it's not clear that all of the content there is meant to be specifically telling other owners how they should run their instance.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Didn't say it was a hugbox, said it fosters division.

    I don't know whether piefed has less spam or not, and whether that's by volume or percentage, and why. I haven't seen any evidence favoring either platform.

    There is no way Lemmy would triple in size in a day. Why would they build for something that would never happen? That's like ordering three pizzas for a party when you only need one.

    I still oppose the low-karma feature on moral and ideological grounds. Voting is easily manipulated, so any system based on it is also easily manipulated.

    It was clear to me that site was for piefed.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I'm m honestly starting to wonder if the user you have been replying to is an alt of rimu or just a pr account

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    One post over 2 years ago, then suddenly constant defending of piefed in the last month. Very odd indeed.

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  • [+] -6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Didn’t say it was a hugbox, said it fosters division.

    Does it? I don't see how.

    I don’t know whether piefed has less spam or not, and whether that’s by volume or percentage, and why. I haven’t seen any evidence favoring either platform.

    Piefed gets the same spam, but Piefed can catch the spammers and report them to Lemmy admins easier. That's what I mean here.

    There is no way Lemmy would triple in size in a day. Why would they build for something that would never happen? That’s like ordering three pizzas for a party when you only need one.

    Of course it wouldn't. My point was I am thinking of scale here when looking at these admin tools.

    I still oppose the low-karma feature on moral and ideological grounds. Voting is easily manipulated, so any system based on it is also easily manipulated.

    Well public voting on the fediverse mitigates that as people using alts or engaging in brigading can be often caught, are often caught, and community and instance banned for it.

    It was clear to me that site was for piefed.

    It outlines his philosophy, but he doesn't state he will enforce the same ideology on other instances with some iron fist.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    It increases division for all the reasons I already outlined. If you don't see it that way I don't know how to explain my point of view any better than I already have.

    I don't see any philosophy, I see a list of reasons the developer of piefed believes their platform is better than Lemmy. Yes, each instance can adjust those settings, but they go into it with these heavy-handed suggestions straight from the developer. From the wording, anyone joining the fediverse for the first time through Piefed comes in associating those instances with nazis. I think that's intentional.

    You can't say if people with alts or who brigade are often caught. And, "often" is not "always," which means voting can still be manipulated. Hell, even if you caught everyone with an alt, votes can change by community or the time of day. An opinion that gets lauded in one community might be downvoted to hell in another. Better to not have a flagging system, let people have their own opinions without labelling "bad" users.

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