▲ 1030 ▼ the ratchet is angry (lemmy.world) submitted 1 year ago by distantsounds@lemmy.world to c/politicalhumor@lemmy.world 148 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (10 children) So he's too far left? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] Photuris@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago They are when they are being called radical. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm just going off of what was said in the prior comment. I haven't looked anything up quite yet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Then why are you commenting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago To converse and learn. To engage with the community and gain perspective. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) And he's probably not even particularly left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Maybe, but not if he wants to live long. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Serinus@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) There's way more nuance than Lemmy pretends. It's difficult to deal with, because there's a lot of nuance and several grains of truth lying around. They're afraid if someone on "their side" is out there yelling "I'm a socialist", that it'll scare the donors. That much is true. Lemmy forgets that you need donors and allies to win elections. I honestly think many people pushing the "both sides" narrative actively want us all to lose. We don't need to be as beholden to donors as the general Democrats are. We have a lot of room for Democratic Socialist policies. But if we use our platforms to yell about how both sides are the same, well, first, they're absolutely fucking not, and second, that's going to get people to stay home and lose elections. We need to pull the party to the left. Partly that'll help win elections. IF we don't sink the boat while we're doing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Uhh but Zohran got donors from the people. 20k people donated to his campaign fund. You don't need billionaires to fund your campaign. Heck, look at Kickstarter. They still manage to get millions from the regular people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) "We can't elect people who do the things we want, otherwise we won't be able to elect people who do the things we want." If he gets elected that proves the entire premise wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago We can elect the people we want. We also need to elect some that aren't perfect. That's how Democracy works. You aim to get some ideal representatives, some less than ideal representatives and maybe some real compromises, and you team up against the literal fucking Nazis. That doesn't mean we have to be the ones to compromise every time. Looking forward to this NYC election. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Photuris@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago They are when they are being called radical. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm just going off of what was said in the prior comment. I haven't looked anything up quite yet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Then why are you commenting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago To converse and learn. To engage with the community and gain perspective. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago They are when they are being called radical. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm just going off of what was said in the prior comment. I haven't looked anything up quite yet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Then why are you commenting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago To converse and learn. To engage with the community and gain perspective. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Then why are you commenting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago To converse and learn. To engage with the community and gain perspective. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago To converse and learn. To engage with the community and gain perspective. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) And he's probably not even particularly left. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Maybe, but not if he wants to live long. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Maybe, but not if he wants to live long. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Serinus@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) There's way more nuance than Lemmy pretends. It's difficult to deal with, because there's a lot of nuance and several grains of truth lying around. They're afraid if someone on "their side" is out there yelling "I'm a socialist", that it'll scare the donors. That much is true. Lemmy forgets that you need donors and allies to win elections. I honestly think many people pushing the "both sides" narrative actively want us all to lose. We don't need to be as beholden to donors as the general Democrats are. We have a lot of room for Democratic Socialist policies. But if we use our platforms to yell about how both sides are the same, well, first, they're absolutely fucking not, and second, that's going to get people to stay home and lose elections. We need to pull the party to the left. Partly that'll help win elections. IF we don't sink the boat while we're doing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Uhh but Zohran got donors from the people. 20k people donated to his campaign fund. You don't need billionaires to fund your campaign. Heck, look at Kickstarter. They still manage to get millions from the regular people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) "We can't elect people who do the things we want, otherwise we won't be able to elect people who do the things we want." If he gets elected that proves the entire premise wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago We can elect the people we want. We also need to elect some that aren't perfect. That's how Democracy works. You aim to get some ideal representatives, some less than ideal representatives and maybe some real compromises, and you team up against the literal fucking Nazis. That doesn't mean we have to be the ones to compromise every time. Looking forward to this NYC election. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Uhh but Zohran got donors from the people. 20k people donated to his campaign fund. You don't need billionaires to fund your campaign. Heck, look at Kickstarter. They still manage to get millions from the regular people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) "We can't elect people who do the things we want, otherwise we won't be able to elect people who do the things we want." If he gets elected that proves the entire premise wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago We can elect the people we want. We also need to elect some that aren't perfect. That's how Democracy works. You aim to get some ideal representatives, some less than ideal representatives and maybe some real compromises, and you team up against the literal fucking Nazis. That doesn't mean we have to be the ones to compromise every time. Looking forward to this NYC election. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago We can elect the people we want. We also need to elect some that aren't perfect. That's how Democracy works. You aim to get some ideal representatives, some less than ideal representatives and maybe some real compromises, and you team up against the literal fucking Nazis. That doesn't mean we have to be the ones to compromise every time. Looking forward to this NYC election. permalink fedilink source parent