▲ 194 ▼ this is a nightmare (lemmy.blahaj.zone) submitted 10 months ago by not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/peoplemastodon 11 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://mas.to/@markwyner/115886175885618595
[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (5 children) that's just not even close to what i mean by "remove" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) revolution is the only way you can forcibly remove people from power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) that's a lot closer to what i mean by remove, but i don't want to go into detail, as i prefer not to incite violence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) westerner's are propagandized into believing that non-violence is the only viable path to change and are adamantly opposed to self introspection in this regard; there will little to no support for a forced change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) but i'm a westerner, too. our education makes us see non-violence as an ideal, but we know there are other options. we do not consider those usually, because they are a waste of resources. a persons life or health is considered a very expensive loss. but unusual problems can require unusual solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago All that was actually necessary was to have enough private-investigators getting evidence of the crimes committed by the electorate-types, & hiring good criminal-circuit lawyers to prosecute, because the establishment protects, not prosecutes, its own corruptions/crimes. Get the rot culled, & that, itself, would have fundamentally changed "politics". The passivity of just allowing the establishment to .. nudge nudge, wink, wink, say-no-more, say-no-more .. "make itself accountable" .. was inherently moronic, inherently suicidal-incompetence. Having the judiciary be a "separate" part of gov't isn't good enough: Journalism ( with a capital-J ) & Science both need to be part of the accountability-regime, & they need to be separate-enough from the electorate that they routinely prosecute establishment-corruptions. Separate, not "separate". The clowns rampaging the US's gov't now shouldn't have been able to do what they're doing: the systems protections against that should have culled their means, before they even got going. Prevent DarkTriad { narcissism / machiavellianism / sociopathy-psychopathy } from being able to be elected. Etc. But having independents getting criminal-convictions on the corrupt power-greeding-ones AND having corrption-conviction-prevents-election-eligibility laws .. would have cut-down the cancer that the US has now got. No matter: once dictatorship's instantiated, & ICE has got its incinerators being built, then the "we're not responsible" people who wielded their authority through intentional inaction, to make this all happen .. will be caught in consequences: a whole-continent "mass shooting". Learning may happen.. maybe.. < bitterness > among some. _ /\ _ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) revolution is the only way you can forcibly remove people from power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) that's a lot closer to what i mean by remove, but i don't want to go into detail, as i prefer not to incite violence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) westerner's are propagandized into believing that non-violence is the only viable path to change and are adamantly opposed to self introspection in this regard; there will little to no support for a forced change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) but i'm a westerner, too. our education makes us see non-violence as an ideal, but we know there are other options. we do not consider those usually, because they are a waste of resources. a persons life or health is considered a very expensive loss. but unusual problems can require unusual solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago All that was actually necessary was to have enough private-investigators getting evidence of the crimes committed by the electorate-types, & hiring good criminal-circuit lawyers to prosecute, because the establishment protects, not prosecutes, its own corruptions/crimes. Get the rot culled, & that, itself, would have fundamentally changed "politics". The passivity of just allowing the establishment to .. nudge nudge, wink, wink, say-no-more, say-no-more .. "make itself accountable" .. was inherently moronic, inherently suicidal-incompetence. Having the judiciary be a "separate" part of gov't isn't good enough: Journalism ( with a capital-J ) & Science both need to be part of the accountability-regime, & they need to be separate-enough from the electorate that they routinely prosecute establishment-corruptions. Separate, not "separate". The clowns rampaging the US's gov't now shouldn't have been able to do what they're doing: the systems protections against that should have culled their means, before they even got going. Prevent DarkTriad { narcissism / machiavellianism / sociopathy-psychopathy } from being able to be elected. Etc. But having independents getting criminal-convictions on the corrupt power-greeding-ones AND having corrption-conviction-prevents-election-eligibility laws .. would have cut-down the cancer that the US has now got. No matter: once dictatorship's instantiated, & ICE has got its incinerators being built, then the "we're not responsible" people who wielded their authority through intentional inaction, to make this all happen .. will be caught in consequences: a whole-continent "mass shooting". Learning may happen.. maybe.. < bitterness > among some. _ /\ _ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) that's a lot closer to what i mean by remove, but i don't want to go into detail, as i prefer not to incite violence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) westerner's are propagandized into believing that non-violence is the only viable path to change and are adamantly opposed to self introspection in this regard; there will little to no support for a forced change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) but i'm a westerner, too. our education makes us see non-violence as an ideal, but we know there are other options. we do not consider those usually, because they are a waste of resources. a persons life or health is considered a very expensive loss. but unusual problems can require unusual solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago All that was actually necessary was to have enough private-investigators getting evidence of the crimes committed by the electorate-types, & hiring good criminal-circuit lawyers to prosecute, because the establishment protects, not prosecutes, its own corruptions/crimes. Get the rot culled, & that, itself, would have fundamentally changed "politics". The passivity of just allowing the establishment to .. nudge nudge, wink, wink, say-no-more, say-no-more .. "make itself accountable" .. was inherently moronic, inherently suicidal-incompetence. Having the judiciary be a "separate" part of gov't isn't good enough: Journalism ( with a capital-J ) & Science both need to be part of the accountability-regime, & they need to be separate-enough from the electorate that they routinely prosecute establishment-corruptions. Separate, not "separate". The clowns rampaging the US's gov't now shouldn't have been able to do what they're doing: the systems protections against that should have culled their means, before they even got going. Prevent DarkTriad { narcissism / machiavellianism / sociopathy-psychopathy } from being able to be elected. Etc. But having independents getting criminal-convictions on the corrupt power-greeding-ones AND having corrption-conviction-prevents-election-eligibility laws .. would have cut-down the cancer that the US has now got. No matter: once dictatorship's instantiated, & ICE has got its incinerators being built, then the "we're not responsible" people who wielded their authority through intentional inaction, to make this all happen .. will be caught in consequences: a whole-continent "mass shooting". Learning may happen.. maybe.. < bitterness > among some. _ /\ _ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (2 children) westerner's are propagandized into believing that non-violence is the only viable path to change and are adamantly opposed to self introspection in this regard; there will little to no support for a forced change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) but i'm a westerner, too. our education makes us see non-violence as an ideal, but we know there are other options. we do not consider those usually, because they are a waste of resources. a persons life or health is considered a very expensive loss. but unusual problems can require unusual solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago All that was actually necessary was to have enough private-investigators getting evidence of the crimes committed by the electorate-types, & hiring good criminal-circuit lawyers to prosecute, because the establishment protects, not prosecutes, its own corruptions/crimes. Get the rot culled, & that, itself, would have fundamentally changed "politics". The passivity of just allowing the establishment to .. nudge nudge, wink, wink, say-no-more, say-no-more .. "make itself accountable" .. was inherently moronic, inherently suicidal-incompetence. Having the judiciary be a "separate" part of gov't isn't good enough: Journalism ( with a capital-J ) & Science both need to be part of the accountability-regime, & they need to be separate-enough from the electorate that they routinely prosecute establishment-corruptions. Separate, not "separate". The clowns rampaging the US's gov't now shouldn't have been able to do what they're doing: the systems protections against that should have culled their means, before they even got going. Prevent DarkTriad { narcissism / machiavellianism / sociopathy-psychopathy } from being able to be elected. Etc. But having independents getting criminal-convictions on the corrupt power-greeding-ones AND having corrption-conviction-prevents-election-eligibility laws .. would have cut-down the cancer that the US has now got. No matter: once dictatorship's instantiated, & ICE has got its incinerators being built, then the "we're not responsible" people who wielded their authority through intentional inaction, to make this all happen .. will be caught in consequences: a whole-continent "mass shooting". Learning may happen.. maybe.. < bitterness > among some. _ /\ _ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) but i'm a westerner, too. our education makes us see non-violence as an ideal, but we know there are other options. we do not consider those usually, because they are a waste of resources. a persons life or health is considered a very expensive loss. but unusual problems can require unusual solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago All that was actually necessary was to have enough private-investigators getting evidence of the crimes committed by the electorate-types, & hiring good criminal-circuit lawyers to prosecute, because the establishment protects, not prosecutes, its own corruptions/crimes. Get the rot culled, & that, itself, would have fundamentally changed "politics". The passivity of just allowing the establishment to .. nudge nudge, wink, wink, say-no-more, say-no-more .. "make itself accountable" .. was inherently moronic, inherently suicidal-incompetence. Having the judiciary be a "separate" part of gov't isn't good enough: Journalism ( with a capital-J ) & Science both need to be part of the accountability-regime, & they need to be separate-enough from the electorate that they routinely prosecute establishment-corruptions. Separate, not "separate". The clowns rampaging the US's gov't now shouldn't have been able to do what they're doing: the systems protections against that should have culled their means, before they even got going. Prevent DarkTriad { narcissism / machiavellianism / sociopathy-psychopathy } from being able to be elected. Etc. But having independents getting criminal-convictions on the corrupt power-greeding-ones AND having corrption-conviction-prevents-election-eligibility laws .. would have cut-down the cancer that the US has now got. No matter: once dictatorship's instantiated, & ICE has got its incinerators being built, then the "we're not responsible" people who wielded their authority through intentional inaction, to make this all happen .. will be caught in consequences: a whole-continent "mass shooting". Learning may happen.. maybe.. < bitterness > among some. _ /\ _ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago All that was actually necessary was to have enough private-investigators getting evidence of the crimes committed by the electorate-types, & hiring good criminal-circuit lawyers to prosecute, because the establishment protects, not prosecutes, its own corruptions/crimes. Get the rot culled, & that, itself, would have fundamentally changed "politics". The passivity of just allowing the establishment to .. nudge nudge, wink, wink, say-no-more, say-no-more .. "make itself accountable" .. was inherently moronic, inherently suicidal-incompetence. Having the judiciary be a "separate" part of gov't isn't good enough: Journalism ( with a capital-J ) & Science both need to be part of the accountability-regime, & they need to be separate-enough from the electorate that they routinely prosecute establishment-corruptions. Separate, not "separate". The clowns rampaging the US's gov't now shouldn't have been able to do what they're doing: the systems protections against that should have culled their means, before they even got going. Prevent DarkTriad { narcissism / machiavellianism / sociopathy-psychopathy } from being able to be elected. Etc. But having independents getting criminal-convictions on the corrupt power-greeding-ones AND having corrption-conviction-prevents-election-eligibility laws .. would have cut-down the cancer that the US has now got. No matter: once dictatorship's instantiated, & ICE has got its incinerators being built, then the "we're not responsible" people who wielded their authority through intentional inaction, to make this all happen .. will be caught in consequences: a whole-continent "mass shooting". Learning may happen.. maybe.. < bitterness > among some. _ /\ _ permalink fedilink source parent
