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[–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

That’s why the message of socialism needs to talked about and use the actual word socialism. Stop the limp messaging and be bold or continue to embrace lying to your base (both parties guilty).

The ruling class would prefer you to keep using “socialism” in quotes

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    That's a nice sentiment, but it would have to overcome 100+ years of indoctrination that socialism==bad on top of the avalanche of attacks from the powers that be. Those attacks are going to come regardless, so insisting on playing hard mode by using the word socialist isn't likely to result in good outcomes.

    I'd rather see the tenets of socialism win by another name, frankly. The outcome is a lot more important than the word.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    None of that offers any direction or a path to change. It is limp messaging that say well maybe someone somehow can grow change in a system designed to squash dissenting ideas.

    People need an actual positive direction to head. You’re just repeating the talking points that have not done anything for people and keep the conversation in a safe place for the political elites.

    This is “thoughts & prayers” for socialism and its screams complacency

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    It's really not, and you can look at Trump as the perfect example. He came out and said all the awful shit that Nazis and Klan members believed but rebranded it as MAGA. Socialists could do the same thing, so easily. Just pick a new phrase/word and keep almost everything other tenet the same. Call it "Liberty Forever" and talk about how mandatory profit sharing "guarantees your right to work and access to a free market." It would be so fucking effective.

    Messaging is important.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Messaging is important and “Liberty Forever” sounds like another Ponzi scheme instead of just cutting the bs and being honest. Distrust is a major issue and adding convoluted layers to messaging that isn’t helping. It’s like saying the economy is great while people can’t afford anything get pissed and disagree. Economy as defined has little to do with quality of life. Most people don’t understand economy != quality of life. See DNC 2024. Trying to smoke & mirror your message is dishonest and will ultimately fail.

    Cut the layers of bullshit and be honest. It worked in the NYC primary and you’d have to be a fool (or disingenuous) to throw that data wayside

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You're giving way too much credit to like, 60% of the country. A wide majority of voters do not respond logically, they respond emotionally. NYC is a tiny fraction of the voting population, and assuming that the messaging used there will work in most of the rest of the country is silly.

    Gotta meet people where they are man, and purity doesn't sell as well as familiarity. Disregarding reality handicaps a movement.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It seems like you think that all of America is similar to NYC, during a mayoral race against a famously shitty incumbent. Otherwise, idk why you would post that image.

    If you ran a candidate for the Democratic Socialist party in every mayoral race in America, I would bet hard cash that better than 90% of them would lose. They wouldn't lose because of their ideas or policies, they'd lose because they picked a party name that will terminate thought for >60% of the voting population.

    Maybe after another 2 decades of slowly getting Democratic Socialists into office you could move that needle. In that time, the facists are going to burn all of this down, so I really don't see any** advantage in sticking with the name. We need these policies now and idc how we get them.

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