you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 24 points 10 months ago (28 children)

Good job. English is a very hard language that barely uses logic.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 28 child comments
  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    All languages have their difficulties. English pronunciation and spelling is a mess but grammar is easy for example. My native language has 3 genders and 4 cases for example and there are languages with more.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 11 child comments
  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    7 cases in the standard version of my language, 8 in the dialect I speak :3

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You didn't mention genders so I guess you have none which leads me to Uralic or Turkic languages maybe?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Oh if we're doing a guessing game then..

    3 genders technically, though the 3rd one (neuter) is super rare, so it's basically 2 in practice :3

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    That makes it harder. 7 is the limit of Balto-Slavic languages but I know that one Baltic language used to have more, loaned from Estonian or something, but lost them over time. So my guess is your local dialect preserved one? Otherwise I have no clue. I think modern Indo Aryan languages have less, Semitic languages have 2 genders and I don't know how many cases. I could rule out some more to show off but not much.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Lithuanian! Im not sure if they were loaned from estonian :3 we used to have 10 (nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, instrumental, locative, illative, allative, adessive, and vocative) allative is basically dead outside of a few words like velniop, adessive is just dead (only really seen in old writings) but illative is the interesting one: it's not used in standard lithuanian outside of some set phrases (kairėn, dešinėn, and in our anthem vardan), but it's still used in dzūkija and east aukštaitija, so... Yeah that's some lore :3

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    Just have to memorize all these irregular verbs. It's so easy.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    It really is illogical lol :3 I tried teaching my parents before and trying to explain why all 3 Es in mercedes or all 3 Cs in pacific ocean make different sounds like "they just do"

    Though my native language is quite hard for non-native speakers as well

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    mercedes

    In English's defence, it's not an English word. It's a German company named after a Spanish name. And at least to my ear, the Spanish and German pronunciations also have 3 different Es. One helpful Redditor also provided an IPA guide to the German pronunciation, agreeing with my ears:

    mɛrˈtseːdɛs

    The "e" in the middle is long and stressed.

    Edit: I would also say, that most of the times it is even pronounced like this:

    məˈtseːdɛs

    But I can't even begin to justify the letter c sounding like /s/, /k/, and /ʃ/.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    For Spanish, at least, your ears deceive you. It's /meɾˈsedes/ in the vast majority of the Spanish speaking world, and /meɾˈθedes/ for large parts of Spain. All 3 'e' sounds are identical.

    Spanish can be weird and nonsensical at times, but it's mostly counterintuitive grammatical rules. Things like "antes de que" having to be followed by the subjunctive, even in the past tense when you're speaking of an event you know for certain occurred as you're saying. The relationship between phonology and orthography in English is just a mess that's gone and contaminated this one.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I do wonder if there might be a difference between the phonemes and the realisation, the way there was in German according to the German commenter.

    But also, even without that, stress undoubtedly changes the perception of the vowel (not nearly as much as in English, but certainly not nil), as does an r after a vowel.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Well the c being s and k thing comes from latin I think :3 like v and u being the same letter.. and I believe i also had a second sound? Plus there's vowel shifts that happened after the writing was standardized and all that, and characters that no longer exist like Þ and ð

    Either way it can be confusing when coming from a language with a fairly regular pronunciation ^^ (though of course we also have some quirks lol)

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Chinese, Arabic, and Russian speakers laugh at me when I say this.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Why? There's plenty of strange things in English, inconsistent grammar rules, weird pronunciations, and pointless words for simple ideas.

    Like there's umpteen words to describe different kinds of meat, pork, beef, veal, mutton. In Chinese you can get away with saying just the animal + meat, 猪肉, 牛肉, 小牛肉, 羊肉 (pig meat, cow meat, young cow meat, goat meat).

    English has stupid rules around pluralisation. There's been arguments that the origin of the word should dictate how it's pluralised, and other arguments that a "true English" pluralisation rule should apply, but then incorrect usage slips into common vernacular and suddenly it's perfectly okay to pluralise a Greek word with a Latin plural suffix. Then you end up with the plural of octopus being octopodes, octopuses, and octopi!

    The long and the short of it is that all languages have weird-ass quirks in them that don't necessarily make any sense but feel natural to their native speakers. It's a prime example of how intuitiveness isn't actually real a thing.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You can get away with lots of things in English too! Just curious, do you speak another (than english) second language ?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I speak Japanese, and can still read German and understand most of it. German’s the secondary language I studied.

    I’m a native Swedish speaker so technically English is my second language, and the others came after.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Tjena malena, en annan svenne på lemmy 💕 !

    Ja vi "fick" ju engelska på köpet kan man väl säga, sverige var world nr 1 i engelska i andraspråk för några tiotals år sen om jag inte missminner mej, men dom hänger i bra nuförtiden också. Stack -95 till Frankrike så va tvungen att lära mej franska, vansinnigt språk men fantastiskt kultur!

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    Tjosan! :) Vi har ju haft det som kärnämne sedan 50-talet. Min mor är i 70-års åldern och är yngre än engelska som kärnämne. Så om vi inte var bra på engelska måste ju något ha gått fel någonstans.

  • source
  • parent