▲ 254 ▼ withers, use the amnesia ray 20th Century History (quokk.au) submitted 10 months ago by Deceptichum to c/historymemes@piefed.social 15 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] eneff@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 10 months ago (8 children) Who is this "we" supposed to be? permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@piefed.social 22 points 10 months ago (1 child) It works for a lot of utopian movements with "Ends justify the means" thinking, tbqh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 8 points 10 months ago This is the Leninist interpretation of Marxism. Which is what the vast majority of the authoritarian “communist” states of the 20th century were based upon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 7 points 10 months ago (3 children) Libertarians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 11 points 10 months ago* (2 children) Try Marxist-Leninists. I literally had this exact conversation the other day with two .ml users... They were trying to claim communism "actually totally works" because Russia/China/etcetc have proven it ... except they're not communist countries. They then went on to explain that, "no aktually having a ruling party that continues to segregate the population and elevate and protect their own positions is totally communism! You need to read more theory, because there has to be a transition to communism ..." blah blah blah... They're literally too stupid to understand OP's joke. They unironically think that stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arcticx@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) The withering of the state as a concept is a foundational part of ML theory and it does seem as though you’re being intentionally obtuse. I don’t think you would run into a ton of people who believe that OPs meme is an implausible situation as this is the exact reason continuous revolution exists as a concept. The transitional state has to be scrutinized so as not to become a tool of bourgeois capitalism once more. So yeah to echo what the others said to you: you should read more theory. Your understanding of these concepts seems to be more memetic than anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 points 10 months ago* lol No, my understanding is not lacking. I know what ML prescribes and imagines. I disagree it's such a hopeful premise IRL. It's also stupid to call any transitionary period 'communism' itself, either, much like supposedly China today. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@piefed.social 22 points 10 months ago (1 child) It works for a lot of utopian movements with "Ends justify the means" thinking, tbqh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 22 points 10 months ago (1 child) It works for a lot of utopian movements with "Ends justify the means" thinking, tbqh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 8 points 10 months ago This is the Leninist interpretation of Marxism. Which is what the vast majority of the authoritarian “communist” states of the 20th century were based upon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 7 points 10 months ago (3 children) Libertarians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 11 points 10 months ago* (2 children) Try Marxist-Leninists. I literally had this exact conversation the other day with two .ml users... They were trying to claim communism "actually totally works" because Russia/China/etcetc have proven it ... except they're not communist countries. They then went on to explain that, "no aktually having a ruling party that continues to segregate the population and elevate and protect their own positions is totally communism! You need to read more theory, because there has to be a transition to communism ..." blah blah blah... They're literally too stupid to understand OP's joke. They unironically think that stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arcticx@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) The withering of the state as a concept is a foundational part of ML theory and it does seem as though you’re being intentionally obtuse. I don’t think you would run into a ton of people who believe that OPs meme is an implausible situation as this is the exact reason continuous revolution exists as a concept. The transitional state has to be scrutinized so as not to become a tool of bourgeois capitalism once more. So yeah to echo what the others said to you: you should read more theory. Your understanding of these concepts seems to be more memetic than anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 points 10 months ago* lol No, my understanding is not lacking. I know what ML prescribes and imagines. I disagree it's such a hopeful premise IRL. It's also stupid to call any transitionary period 'communism' itself, either, much like supposedly China today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 11 points 10 months ago* (2 children) Try Marxist-Leninists. I literally had this exact conversation the other day with two .ml users... They were trying to claim communism "actually totally works" because Russia/China/etcetc have proven it ... except they're not communist countries. They then went on to explain that, "no aktually having a ruling party that continues to segregate the population and elevate and protect their own positions is totally communism! You need to read more theory, because there has to be a transition to communism ..." blah blah blah... They're literally too stupid to understand OP's joke. They unironically think that stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arcticx@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) The withering of the state as a concept is a foundational part of ML theory and it does seem as though you’re being intentionally obtuse. I don’t think you would run into a ton of people who believe that OPs meme is an implausible situation as this is the exact reason continuous revolution exists as a concept. The transitional state has to be scrutinized so as not to become a tool of bourgeois capitalism once more. So yeah to echo what the others said to you: you should read more theory. Your understanding of these concepts seems to be more memetic than anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 points 10 months ago* lol No, my understanding is not lacking. I know what ML prescribes and imagines. I disagree it's such a hopeful premise IRL. It's also stupid to call any transitionary period 'communism' itself, either, much like supposedly China today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arcticx@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (1 child) The withering of the state as a concept is a foundational part of ML theory and it does seem as though you’re being intentionally obtuse. I don’t think you would run into a ton of people who believe that OPs meme is an implausible situation as this is the exact reason continuous revolution exists as a concept. The transitional state has to be scrutinized so as not to become a tool of bourgeois capitalism once more. So yeah to echo what the others said to you: you should read more theory. Your understanding of these concepts seems to be more memetic than anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 points 10 months ago* lol No, my understanding is not lacking. I know what ML prescribes and imagines. I disagree it's such a hopeful premise IRL. It's also stupid to call any transitionary period 'communism' itself, either, much like supposedly China today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 points 10 months ago* lol No, my understanding is not lacking. I know what ML prescribes and imagines. I disagree it's such a hopeful premise IRL. It's also stupid to call any transitionary period 'communism' itself, either, much like supposedly China today. permalink fedilink source parent
