▲ 260 ▼ China Has Reportedly Built Its First EUV Machine Prototype, Marking a Semiconductor Breakthrough the U.S. Has Feared All Along (wccftech.com) submitted 10 months ago by just_another_person@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 79 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 5 points 10 months ago (8 children) And even then, it'll need to be commerically viable to compete with the West. Well, unless they invaded Taiwan... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (7 children) If Taiwan gets invaded they'll just blow their chip fabs, they've said as much multiple times and presumably have a plan in place to do it at a moment's notice. If that's what China is after I don't know that an invasion is going to work even if they succeed. It could deny future chip production to other countries though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 point 10 months ago (5 children) Yeah, that's what I mean Doesn't matter if China's chips are economically viable if they're the only ones making advanced chips... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I mean, it kinda still does, but even if they did eventually invade, it wouldn't necessarily make China the only game in town. There are already other fabrication plants going up around the globe, an invasion would definitely accelerate their development. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago Arizona has chip fabs coming on line, (damn Joe Biden!) but construction of a fab and actually making chips at scale are two very different challenges. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) China seems to be closest though, if they reach viable modern CPUs first... But realistically, I think China made a deal with the West to hold off on Taiwan until we have at least one modern chip fab working in the US and Europe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] justaman123@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) I tend to agree, but leadership has been super questionable as of late permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago Yeah, but that would be like launching a nuke. The whole world is dependent on TSMC for like... All of modern life permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago they’ll just blow their chip fabs The US has said they will blow them up "for them". TSMC is supportive of US puppetted militarist fascism in Taiwan, but has backfired a bit from Trump. Tarriffs on Taiwan, and more restrictions on Chinese operations. TSMC definitely wants to avoid war even if it likes politicians that hype up weapons gifts, but also independently subsidizes it. War is going to depend on US dictated decoupling, that black market can't get around. The fascists will have a hard time trusting US backing for the island, as Trump has been softer on China than Taiwan so far this year. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (7 children) If Taiwan gets invaded they'll just blow their chip fabs, they've said as much multiple times and presumably have a plan in place to do it at a moment's notice. If that's what China is after I don't know that an invasion is going to work even if they succeed. It could deny future chip production to other countries though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 point 10 months ago (5 children) Yeah, that's what I mean Doesn't matter if China's chips are economically viable if they're the only ones making advanced chips... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I mean, it kinda still does, but even if they did eventually invade, it wouldn't necessarily make China the only game in town. There are already other fabrication plants going up around the globe, an invasion would definitely accelerate their development. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago Arizona has chip fabs coming on line, (damn Joe Biden!) but construction of a fab and actually making chips at scale are two very different challenges. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) China seems to be closest though, if they reach viable modern CPUs first... But realistically, I think China made a deal with the West to hold off on Taiwan until we have at least one modern chip fab working in the US and Europe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] justaman123@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) I tend to agree, but leadership has been super questionable as of late permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago Yeah, but that would be like launching a nuke. The whole world is dependent on TSMC for like... All of modern life permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago they’ll just blow their chip fabs The US has said they will blow them up "for them". TSMC is supportive of US puppetted militarist fascism in Taiwan, but has backfired a bit from Trump. Tarriffs on Taiwan, and more restrictions on Chinese operations. TSMC definitely wants to avoid war even if it likes politicians that hype up weapons gifts, but also independently subsidizes it. War is going to depend on US dictated decoupling, that black market can't get around. The fascists will have a hard time trusting US backing for the island, as Trump has been softer on China than Taiwan so far this year. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 point 10 months ago (5 children) Yeah, that's what I mean Doesn't matter if China's chips are economically viable if they're the only ones making advanced chips... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I mean, it kinda still does, but even if they did eventually invade, it wouldn't necessarily make China the only game in town. There are already other fabrication plants going up around the globe, an invasion would definitely accelerate their development. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago Arizona has chip fabs coming on line, (damn Joe Biden!) but construction of a fab and actually making chips at scale are two very different challenges. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) China seems to be closest though, if they reach viable modern CPUs first... But realistically, I think China made a deal with the West to hold off on Taiwan until we have at least one modern chip fab working in the US and Europe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] justaman123@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) I tend to agree, but leadership has been super questionable as of late permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago Yeah, but that would be like launching a nuke. The whole world is dependent on TSMC for like... All of modern life permalink fedilink source parent
[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (4 children) I mean, it kinda still does, but even if they did eventually invade, it wouldn't necessarily make China the only game in town. There are already other fabrication plants going up around the globe, an invasion would definitely accelerate their development. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago Arizona has chip fabs coming on line, (damn Joe Biden!) but construction of a fab and actually making chips at scale are two very different challenges. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) China seems to be closest though, if they reach viable modern CPUs first... But realistically, I think China made a deal with the West to hold off on Taiwan until we have at least one modern chip fab working in the US and Europe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] justaman123@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) I tend to agree, but leadership has been super questionable as of late permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago Yeah, but that would be like launching a nuke. The whole world is dependent on TSMC for like... All of modern life permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago Arizona has chip fabs coming on line, (damn Joe Biden!) but construction of a fab and actually making chips at scale are two very different challenges. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) China seems to be closest though, if they reach viable modern CPUs first... But realistically, I think China made a deal with the West to hold off on Taiwan until we have at least one modern chip fab working in the US and Europe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] justaman123@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) I tend to agree, but leadership has been super questionable as of late permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago Yeah, but that would be like launching a nuke. The whole world is dependent on TSMC for like... All of modern life permalink fedilink source parent
[–] justaman123@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) I tend to agree, but leadership has been super questionable as of late permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago Yeah, but that would be like launching a nuke. The whole world is dependent on TSMC for like... All of modern life permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago Yeah, but that would be like launching a nuke. The whole world is dependent on TSMC for like... All of modern life permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago they’ll just blow their chip fabs The US has said they will blow them up "for them". TSMC is supportive of US puppetted militarist fascism in Taiwan, but has backfired a bit from Trump. Tarriffs on Taiwan, and more restrictions on Chinese operations. TSMC definitely wants to avoid war even if it likes politicians that hype up weapons gifts, but also independently subsidizes it. War is going to depend on US dictated decoupling, that black market can't get around. The fascists will have a hard time trusting US backing for the island, as Trump has been softer on China than Taiwan so far this year. permalink fedilink source parent