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Tesla's European car sales nosedive for fifth month as customers switch to Chinese EVs (www.cnbc.com)
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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (12 children)

unless you for some reason like leftist dictator who would like to rule the world more than the right one, there isn't really practical difference in this

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    China would love so much to rule the world, that's why it hasn't entered any war in the past 40+ years, and that's why all countries in the global south are happy to enter the comparably advantageous economic deals and infrastructure investments that China offers in comparison with the magnificent western democracies.

    How many countries has China bombed in the past 40 years? Let's now make a list for the USA, see who wins!

    As for "dictator", look at the approval rates of Xi in China and compare them to those of Kid Starver in the UK, Trump in the US, or Macron in France. I guess democracy is best represented by the system that lets you choose which hateful ghoul will apply social austerity policy and invest 5% of GDP in NATO.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    China would love so much to rule the world, that’s why it hasn’t entered any war in the past 40+ years

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hundred-Year_Marathon

    the global south are happy to enter the comparably advantageous economic deals

    are they happy? and are the deals advantageous? can you back up your claims? 😂

    As for “dictator”, look at the approval rates of Xi in China

    oh yes, the approval rating of a dictator in a dictatorship is very valid metric 😂. (hint hint: they are irrelevant even if they were not fixed. any kind of approval rating bears zero relevance to whether the country is a totalitarian state or not, or whether the country is a threat to its neighbours or not).

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hundred-Year_Marathon

    So, no wars, got it. Just overtaking the US through soft power and economic prowess, lmao.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    I agree until the last part. Democracies have more freedoms allowing for more accurate polling. There is also less fear of consequences for being open. Countries should be able to defend themselves, 5% is a step toward peace. The cold war never became hot because of the investment in defence.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The cold war never became hot

    Tell that to the millions of people the west murdered through bombing of Korea, Vietnam or Laos, the millions more murdered though US support of military dictators such as Suharto or Pinochet, or the millions who died through the de-stabilization of their countries such as Mosaddeq's Iran, Guatemala or the outright invasion of Iraq. Ask those people what they think of the west's military expenses over the past century.

    Democracies have more freedoms allowing for more accurate polling. There is also less fear of consequences for being open

    Literally two days ago Mamdani won the mayoral elections against all polls, polls in the west are heavily manipulated. And literally last week a man was denied entry in the country due to having a picture of bald Vance. I happen to be Spanish, and in our super-democratic state we have literal political prisoners who had to free the country such as Carles Puigdemont due to political persecution and risking their lives in jail. The west is NOT more democratic than China at this point, and the trend is towards openness in China and towards fascism in the west.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The trend is toward openness in China? Just off the top of my head didnt Xi consolidate more power over the last 12 months and stop issuing economic statistics as a resukt of their trend?

    I am not American, they are a shit hole country, they have never been much more but the veneer is wiped off now.

    Those proxy wars are the example of it not getting hot. Russia and the US had so much military power no one risked direct attacks.

    I do not support the US, Israel or any such shite but dont tell half a story and sum up with china is opening up.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    stop issuing economic statistics

    Then what's this?. I literally don't know what you're talking about.

    The trend is toward openness in China?

    Yes. China is progressively opening up, allowing things such as IShowSpeed to do livestreams of the country wherever he wants and granting him honorary visas, and spreading the contact of Chinese people with westerners through for example XiaoHongShu (RedNote) or TikTok, which is why the US wants to ban access to these apps. I'm not a US citizen either, I'm European, and the EU itself closed access to Russian media some months after the war started. You may or may not think that this is justified, but it's quite literally the definition of "closing up", and China is engaging in exactly the opposite.

    Those proxy wars are the example of it not getting hot

    I beg you tell the same to a Ukrainian or to a Vietnamese.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Then what's this

    Show me the youth unemployment figures.

    spreading the contact of Chinese people with westerners through for example XiaoHongShu (RedNote) or TikTok, which is why the US wants to ban access to these apps

    You missed the part where China hurried through a tiktok like curtain to silo users.

    You must have also missed the social credit scoring. The HK protests.

    You may or may not think that this is justified, but it's quite literally the definition of "closing up", and China is engaging in exactly the opposite.

    This is textbook tolerance paradox stuff, either accept propaganda or you ae against free speech. Oligarchical authoritarian cunts should not have access into a foreign population, that is why Trump is in power. Are you telling me the EU has less press freedoms than Russia or China? Because closing the gap doesnt mean much if its by a tenth of a degree.

    I beg you tell the same to a Ukrainian or to a Vietnamese

    Its clear you are passionate and refusing to take on board an alternative view. There is nothing in what I have said that should lead you to reply with this. Understand proxy wars and realise that military spending kept the direct warfare cold.

    Ukraine is atrocity that is only tied to the cold war by way of Russia continuing fighting it while the US got complacent and allowed their government to fall which lead to a lack of support/tacit support for Russia.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Show me the youth unemployment figures

    According to SCMP, "The urban jobless rate among those aged 16 to 24 – excluding students – fell to 15.8 per cent last month, down from 16.5 per cent in March, according to data released by the National Bureau of Statistics on Tuesday". What's your point? It literally says "released by the National Bureau of Statistics", what's the government hiding??

    You missed the part where China hurried through a tiktok like curtain to silo users.

    Can you source this claim, please?

    You must have also missed the social credit scoring

    This is a nothingburger made up by western bad-faith actors. There is no such thing as a social credit score in China. Unlike in the US, where you can go into your bank account to check your "good citizen meter" and see how likely you are to get a mortgage.

    The HK protests

    Nothing compared to ICE kidnapping people from their literal homes masked, putting them into unmarked vans, and deporting them without due process or putting them in prison.

    This is textbook tolerance paradox stuff, either accept propaganda or you ae against free speech

    So, China forbidding western media is oppressive and dictatorial because western press good, but the West forbidding Russian media is cool and based because Russian media bad? You're only showing your bias here if you think western media has any semblance of objectivity, especially when it comes to international politics.

    Are you telling me the EU has less press freedoms than Russia or China?

    Not than Russia, Russia is further advanced towards fascism than the EU, so it's worse. But China is getting better and the EU is getting worse.

    Its clear you are passionate and refusing to take on board an alternative view.

    It's clear that you only care about deaths if they take place on the first world. You want to avoid "direct confrontation" because you care more about Europeans and Americans than you do about Vietnamese, Korean or Iraqi. You take pride in how much the "military expenditure in the cold war prevented direct conflict" without caring about how much more conflict it stoked outside the west.

    Ukraine is atrocity that is only tied to the cold war by way of Russia

    False. The invasion of Ukraine is a policy pursued by the Russian goverment as a way to preserve the sphere of influence that the west is eroding each day through NATO and economic/soft power. You can condemn it, it's cruel and abhorrent, but it's not exclusively Russia to blame, and in 10 years from now this will be clear to everyone.

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