▲ 33 ▼ Why is the western left so anti-communist? (tankie.tube) submitted 11 months ago by Confidant6198@lemmy.ml to c/usa@lemmy.ml 22 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 months ago (4 children) Communism and democracy are not mutually exclusive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) It's probably more accurate to say you cannot have actual communism without democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago Sure, and history proves that socialist systems run by communists have brought massive democratization to their societies because of the structures they implemented. permalink fedilink source parent [–] furrowsofar@beehaw.org -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) I absolutely agree. Have we ever seen that in the wild though especially at scale? It may be in fact mutually exclusive in that it may conflict with human nature and most cultures. US is of couse extremely individualistic for example though not uniformly so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) Yes, every socialist state in history has been ruled by the majority, by the working classes. "Human nature" has nothing to do with it, what is "human nature" is really just the way our environment shapes us, including how we produce and distribute. This is why we can say there is "proletarian ideology," as working for a living shapes our ideas and how we think of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) It's probably more accurate to say you cannot have actual communism without democracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago Sure, and history proves that socialist systems run by communists have brought massive democratization to their societies because of the structures they implemented. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago Sure, and history proves that socialist systems run by communists have brought massive democratization to their societies because of the structures they implemented. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] furrowsofar@beehaw.org -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) I absolutely agree. Have we ever seen that in the wild though especially at scale? It may be in fact mutually exclusive in that it may conflict with human nature and most cultures. US is of couse extremely individualistic for example though not uniformly so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) Yes, every socialist state in history has been ruled by the majority, by the working classes. "Human nature" has nothing to do with it, what is "human nature" is really just the way our environment shapes us, including how we produce and distribute. This is why we can say there is "proletarian ideology," as working for a living shapes our ideas and how we think of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) Yes, every socialist state in history has been ruled by the majority, by the working classes. "Human nature" has nothing to do with it, what is "human nature" is really just the way our environment shapes us, including how we produce and distribute. This is why we can say there is "proletarian ideology," as working for a living shapes our ideas and how we think of the world. permalink fedilink source parent