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Switch to a Fully free Operating System (piefed.social)
submitted 11 months ago by to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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As per fsf only those linux distributions are 100% free:

Dragora
Dyne
Guix
Hyperbola
Parabola
PureOS
Trisquel
Ututo
libreCMC
ProteanOS

Do you agree or no?

I see a lot of people that want to switch from windows to a linux distro or a open os. But from what i see they tend to migrate to another black boxed/closed os.

What is a trully free os that doesnt included any closed code/binary blobs/closed drivers etc.

Just 100% free open code, no traps.

What are the options and what should one go with if they want fully free os that rejects any closed code?

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[–] 10 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Aren't these shipped without any proprietary firmware, which you can try and if it works for you it works and use it but for many people these just won't work and using stuff like arch/Debian/fedora/opensuse to name a few will work much better. Like they are great distros if they work for you use them but they are not for everyone.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    This. No property firmware blobs, nothing that is considered non free software.

    So, no Nvidia graphics for gaming, no wifi and bt, a bunch of software not available.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I thought Debian didn't include firmware and other binaries by default. I remember having a separate firmware CD for installs on weird RAID controllers. Did that change?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    It didn't until 2022 or so, it's had a toggle that can be turned on or off for non-free repo's for as long as I can remember but, starting around 2022 they changed the default to allow for non-free (and also apparently made it a pain in the butt for the live install to disable it because its a boot param now instead of a toggle)

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    No. You don’t get it.

    You have to switch to hardware that keeps its firmware safely hidden inside so we can call it “hardware”. If you let the firmware be updated, now it is “software” and it has to be free. But you can run in whatever “hardware” you want and be totally free.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    I don't get what?

    There is a reason for the naming hardware, firmware, software.

    HARD, FIRM, SOFT.

    No, hardware das not bekomme Software just because it has firmware.

    And yes it would love to see free firmware.

    Look at CPU microcode. It is used to fix security issues in hardware. Without it you are vulnerable. Not using the property firmware blob to update the microcode is a very very bad idea. Does that make the CPU software...

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Sorry buddy. It looks like I somehow replied to the wrong comment.

    You misunderstood me (no surprise given the first sentence).

    No, the CPU does not become "software" because it has firmware. Which is why it is crazy to disqualify Linux distros as "free" when they include firmware blobs.

    Based on your comment here, I would say we completely agree.

    [EDIT: Actually, I see my mistake now. I was replying to you. I just forgot to put the /s at the end of my first line. I said "You don't get it" because "you do get it".]

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Never upgrading your CPU firmware is a bad idea. Most of the people saying that “works for them” have no idea what they are talking about. Yea, your system runs. Congratulations.

    And they are still running on proprietary firmware. Just outdated firmware that they refuse to update.

    It is just such utter nonsense. It makes my brain hurt.

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