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[–] 2 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

It's such a sprawling conversation, it's difficult to capture it all concisely. I would like to add to your comment, the number of Cambridge Analytica style bots and disingenuous agents. Plus all the dummies who mindlessly parrot them.

There was a time where I would try to meaningfully engage with anyone to gain a wider perspective, being conscious of filter bubbles, but dissenting voices were always void of substantive reasoning, logic or fact. It was almost always disingenuous, spurrious fallacies.

Now I only engage with people who disagree and put up some evidence of consciousness and reasoned arguments up front. A well documented technique in online debate/disinformation is exhaustion. Control the narrative via flooding all chanels with bullshit, and the power of short simple repetition until lies become truth.

Edit: Exhibit A is the dumpster fire that is the Fascist States of America and the rise of the tech lords. AI only further serves to control the narrative.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    I agree completely. I have always been a believer in good-faith debate, but it is rare to find someone who will engage in good-faith debate about their disagreements. Most people are either not willing to debate at all, or not willing to debate in good faith. You have to learn to recognize those situations and avoid wasting your time and energy on them because it's pointless.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    and the power of short simple repetition until lies become truth.

    This is also true with long diatribes that are packed with bullshit but that drain your time to debunk.

    This is the type that I feel is common on lemmy.

    If you dive into them, eventually youll find the ideas all fall apart, the sources are weird, biased and funded by groups you wouldn't take seriously etc etc, but at that point, you are exhausted, and you are probably not going to put in nearly as much effort into arguing as their prepared copypasta "literature" collections, nor as nice.

    I would think this was a tactic to make a casual observer think "well that second person isn't as reasonable as the first one who posted a lot of information" if they didn't check the info themselves, but these posts are often so 0-100 hostile in attitude out of the gate, I can only think they serve to simply tire people out, and run obstruction.

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