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[–] 155 points 11 months ago (30 children)

Some context: This woman was trying to prohibit farmers from equipping their cows with bells, because she felt that they made too much noise. The population in this rural and traditional village did not like that, as they disliked people interfering with their traditions (especially since she was no swiss citizen). Some months later, she asked for naturalization, which was promptly denied by the popular vote in the village.

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  • [–] 58 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    So she didn't object to killing cows? The problem was the bell making noise? Ok, denial justified.

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I could see an argument for the noise being detrimental to the cows and her trying to pick her battles in a Swiss cattle farming town. I guess she still didn’t hit the mark.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Its a proven fact that cow bells cause hearing loss in cows. But we do a lot worse stuff to animals, so IDK. Does the reduced chance of getting mauled by a predator make the hearing damage worth it?

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (12 children)

    The bells were measured and found to Be loud enough to damage the cows hearing.

    If I recall correctly the bells right at like 100db which is like a concert or a lawnmower.

    I think it's kinda cruel to the cows but I also get where it's crazy to show up, tell everyone how to shit and then expect to be invited into the community for it.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I feel like you may be conflating my understanding of her non-acceptance into the community with being ok with animal cruelty.

    I'm not and I don't think the cows should wear the bells.

    I just think that as an outsider challenging deeply held cultural beliefs she shouldn't have expected to be welcomed as a citizen of that community.

    It was an extremely unrealistic expectation to have.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    There is a middle ground and you're deliberately not seeing it.

    If you demand change of others, you will be met with resentment.

    If you slowly convince others of change, you can build friends and allies and grow a movement

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  • [+] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    But she wasn't denied legal residency, she was denied citizenship. And you don't need citizenship to speak, so I fail to see the censorship.

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    Which denies her a host of legal protections within the community, heaps additional bureaucratic burdens in renewing non-citizen residency papers, and exposes her to summary deportation on the whims of state security.

    I'm a Swiss permanent resident, and pretty much none of that is true. You have no clue what your talking about.___

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    You should consider how your extremely polarized views can blind you to relatively obvious truths.

    I can't lay it out more simply than I have, if you still can't see what I'm saying then the most respectful way possible: please go touch grass you've clearly had too much internet.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    -"It's Fascism!"

    Says the Tankie.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    Y'all can read this whichever way makes you happiest...

    But one side is definitely wrong about this, and as a general rule the one advocating for using the power of the state to punish mere annoyance isn't on the right side of history.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    "Everything I don't like is fascism"

    Continues with a meme and instead of adressing the question says "in general whhen people do..."

    Lol

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Wait does naturalization get tied to an election in Switzerland?

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    It depends on your municipality. In some they have local ballots where every candidate has to be approved. If they are denied because of racist (or similar) reasons, they can appeal the decision to a court. I believe the cow-bell-lady did that, but i dont remember the outcome.

    Edit: did some research, she was granted citizenship recently. Here is an article about her (in english): https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/swiss-passport_dutch-troublemaker-finally-granted-swiss-citizenship/43143162

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Is there absolutely no better work to be done?

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Who among us hasn't spent our time inefficiently on something we care about? If you laser focus on only the most important thing, you'll go (more) nuts.

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