▲ 131 ▼ Pope Leo XIV Will Have Lunch With 4 Trans Women in "Unprecedented" Meeting (www.them.us) submitted 1 year ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/lgbtq_plus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children) Meeting people face to face is often a pretty good way to get over hangups about them. The closer you are to a person the harder it is to remain bigoted about them. I hope this will have some positive effect. Edit: where I live there are Catholic schools that are explicit about being pro-LGBTQ+, with big pride flags on display and a policy of supporting gay and trans kids against bullying and discrimination. I have known trans kids that were happy at these schools. Their school may not be changing the official stance of the Vatican, and we might rather not have Christian schools at all, but I still think it's worthwhile and important that a Catholic school makes explicit these messages of support and respect for its students. Even without the Catholic church officially progressing, a good number of Catholics and Catholic institutions are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] chosensilence@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago (6 children) right so just pick and choose when the bible says whatever you want or dont want it to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's what everyone does. Which doesn't make all interpretations equal, but anyone who tries to live according to that book is picking and choosing and interpreting in some way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 6 points 1 year ago Literally can not read the first book without it contradicting itself. The two genesis accounts are incompatible. If that was human error who's to say what was and what wasn't. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) Yes. Interpreting the word of God is literally the clergy's job lmao. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) According to catholics god speaks through the pope (in certain circumstances). I don't know how much more direct you can get than god telling you to chill out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago fr permalink fedilink source parent [–] chosensilence@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago the Pope doesn’t. he is directly receiving the word of God, so anything he says is from God himself. except yknow, none of that is true and everything the Pope does is politically strategic and meant to bring more folks into Catholicism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago I'm cynical, but a Catholic friend argues that the church's resistance to change is natural if you consider how long it has existed. Big changes take decades, if not longer. She argues that whilst this sucks for many Catholics who are struggling with a disconnect between their faith and the church in the here and now, that slower changes in the church's stance towards LGBTQ people will make those changes more resilient in the long term. Effectively, she's saying that on this path, she believes that in 200 years from now, the church will likely still exist and be pushing for LGBTQ rights, and that by operating on a different timescale to countries' politics, they will be an especially effective advocate. An example she used was how Trump's administration has contributed to fickle corporations opting out of pride stuff. For better or for worse, the church is less fickle. For context, my friend is queer and is in community with trans people (including trans Catholics), but is not trans herself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago They get some (hopefully for them, good) press. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children) Meeting people face to face is often a pretty good way to get over hangups about them. The closer you are to a person the harder it is to remain bigoted about them. I hope this will have some positive effect. Edit: where I live there are Catholic schools that are explicit about being pro-LGBTQ+, with big pride flags on display and a policy of supporting gay and trans kids against bullying and discrimination. I have known trans kids that were happy at these schools. Their school may not be changing the official stance of the Vatican, and we might rather not have Christian schools at all, but I still think it's worthwhile and important that a Catholic school makes explicit these messages of support and respect for its students. Even without the Catholic church officially progressing, a good number of Catholics and Catholic institutions are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] chosensilence@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago (6 children) right so just pick and choose when the bible says whatever you want or dont want it to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's what everyone does. Which doesn't make all interpretations equal, but anyone who tries to live according to that book is picking and choosing and interpreting in some way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 6 points 1 year ago Literally can not read the first book without it contradicting itself. The two genesis accounts are incompatible. If that was human error who's to say what was and what wasn't. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) Yes. Interpreting the word of God is literally the clergy's job lmao. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) According to catholics god speaks through the pope (in certain circumstances). I don't know how much more direct you can get than god telling you to chill out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago fr permalink fedilink source parent [–] chosensilence@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago the Pope doesn’t. he is directly receiving the word of God, so anything he says is from God himself. except yknow, none of that is true and everything the Pope does is politically strategic and meant to bring more folks into Catholicism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago (6 children) right so just pick and choose when the bible says whatever you want or dont want it to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's what everyone does. Which doesn't make all interpretations equal, but anyone who tries to live according to that book is picking and choosing and interpreting in some way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 6 points 1 year ago Literally can not read the first book without it contradicting itself. The two genesis accounts are incompatible. If that was human error who's to say what was and what wasn't. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) Yes. Interpreting the word of God is literally the clergy's job lmao. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) According to catholics god speaks through the pope (in certain circumstances). I don't know how much more direct you can get than god telling you to chill out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago fr permalink fedilink source parent [–] chosensilence@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago the Pope doesn’t. he is directly receiving the word of God, so anything he says is from God himself. except yknow, none of that is true and everything the Pope does is politically strategic and meant to bring more folks into Catholicism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's what everyone does. Which doesn't make all interpretations equal, but anyone who tries to live according to that book is picking and choosing and interpreting in some way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 6 points 1 year ago Literally can not read the first book without it contradicting itself. The two genesis accounts are incompatible. If that was human error who's to say what was and what wasn't. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 6 points 1 year ago Literally can not read the first book without it contradicting itself. The two genesis accounts are incompatible. If that was human error who's to say what was and what wasn't. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) Yes. Interpreting the word of God is literally the clergy's job lmao. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) According to catholics god speaks through the pope (in certain circumstances). I don't know how much more direct you can get than god telling you to chill out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago fr permalink fedilink source parent [–] chosensilence@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago the Pope doesn’t. he is directly receiving the word of God, so anything he says is from God himself. except yknow, none of that is true and everything the Pope does is politically strategic and meant to bring more folks into Catholicism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) According to catholics god speaks through the pope (in certain circumstances). I don't know how much more direct you can get than god telling you to chill out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 year ago fr permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago the Pope doesn’t. he is directly receiving the word of God, so anything he says is from God himself. except yknow, none of that is true and everything the Pope does is politically strategic and meant to bring more folks into Catholicism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago I'm cynical, but a Catholic friend argues that the church's resistance to change is natural if you consider how long it has existed. Big changes take decades, if not longer. She argues that whilst this sucks for many Catholics who are struggling with a disconnect between their faith and the church in the here and now, that slower changes in the church's stance towards LGBTQ people will make those changes more resilient in the long term. Effectively, she's saying that on this path, she believes that in 200 years from now, the church will likely still exist and be pushing for LGBTQ rights, and that by operating on a different timescale to countries' politics, they will be an especially effective advocate. An example she used was how Trump's administration has contributed to fickle corporations opting out of pride stuff. For better or for worse, the church is less fickle. For context, my friend is queer and is in community with trans people (including trans Catholics), but is not trans herself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago They get some (hopefully for them, good) press. permalink fedilink source parent