▲ 154 ▼ Are you ready for a $1,000 Steam Machine? Some analysts think you should be. (arstechnica.com) submitted 11 months ago by BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com to c/games@sh.itjust.works 143 comments fedilink hide all child comments The title is a bit misleading, as the article lists diverging analysts’ opinions, ranging from Valve willing to sell at a loss or low margins, to high prices due to RAM and SSD price volatility. cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blackeco.com/post/2330473
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 11 months ago (26 children) Where are you going to buy games for Steam Machine? Steam obviously, there’s no competition. Simply not true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [+] misk@piefed.social -11 points 11 months ago (25 children) What is the competition on Linux? What’s their market share? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) GoG, epic, any other store really. Proton is made by valve but it works in whatever, and there are tools now to use proton (not wine, proton) outside of steam to get all the goodies you got on top. Heroic launcher does that for the games you get from the Amazon store, gog, epic, and any other exe you got. I even installed battle net, and once you open it everything you install from there works in that bubble and work, I played plenty HOTS games. I play modded D2 without much issues. You know why the steam market share in Linux is so high? Because they are the ones that put the work to make windows games work on Linux. Yes, wine existed before but they both adapted it for games and contributed to the overall wine project a ton. Also, iirc, steamdecks make up for 30% of the Linux machines from valve's yearly reports. The market is tremendously tiny yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] misk@piefed.social -16 points 11 months ago What is their current market share on Linux? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] misk@piefed.social -6 points 11 months ago (2 children) Does Heroic launcher guarantee that the game you bought will not break Wine compatibility when patched by the developer? What kind of consumer experience are you trying to sell here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] misk@piefed.social -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) What stops Windows? Business consumers paying for the OS and the fact that they don’t have any successful app store. What stops Valve? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (18 children) The competition on... Okay, so, it's an OS right? So for free linux-native stuff, there's the default package manager that comes installed. Switch your steam deck to desktop mode. There's a lot there, including emulators that will run on steam deck from ancient Atari shit to Nintendo switch. But you can also run non-steam executables with proton. Heroic, lutris, etc are great tools from that. You can buy your games anywhere without rootkit DRM. Most things from itch.io or gog.com will run. Or, you know; other places. You can just pirate shit. You can in fact uninstall the stock OS and run anything you can compile for midrange x86 hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (17 children) You missed the part where Android wanted to lock people out of installing their own apps. They postponed it for now due to pressure but it will happen eventually. Also the part where bootloaders lock you out of changing OS. This thing is possible when you vendor lock people in a vertically integrated system and people here are completely oblivious to the trap they’re walking into because they think Valve will be forever cool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (16 children) Yeah those cases were bad, steam deck just has Linux on it though. Arch based I think with two DE's: KDE plasma and a modified' 'steam big picture' mode. I don't think anything is locked, and they aren't fucking with that in any way dell lenovo or system76 couldn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (15 children) Not yet but they hold you by the balls because you buy license most of your games through Steam. Once they’re entrenched enough they can do whatever. Android was a very open platform in the beginning, now it’s almost iOS. You can fork Android / SteamOS but without Play Store / Steam consumers aren’t that interested. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) But it's much easier to pirate a program than an OS, and they can't fuck with the bios too terribly easy once the thing's in your hands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (13 children) It’s pretty hard to pirate on iOS (and it will be hard on Android too eventually). Their plan is to do this gradually, definitely not in a single generation of hardware. They’ll have pretty strong arguments for locking down the bootloader (kernel level anti-cheat for games like CoD or Valorant) or just plain locking Steam to supported platforms to lock you out of other OSs first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (12 children) And when they do, that hardware will be worthless shit, but steam still has to run of my 15 year old Debian/Fedora x86 box, and other companies are making handhelds like this now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children) Why does it have to? Valve isn’t known for maintaining legacy software. You assume your software will run forever as-is but you can see how that looks like in accelerated timeline in the case of Valve games on Macs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Because most people play on the 300$ dell their mom got them for school ten years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] misk@piefed.social -11 points 11 months ago (25 children) What is the competition on Linux? What’s their market share? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) GoG, epic, any other store really. Proton is made by valve but it works in whatever, and there are tools now to use proton (not wine, proton) outside of steam to get all the goodies you got on top. Heroic launcher does that for the games you get from the Amazon store, gog, epic, and any other exe you got. I even installed battle net, and once you open it everything you install from there works in that bubble and work, I played plenty HOTS games. I play modded D2 without much issues. You know why the steam market share in Linux is so high? Because they are the ones that put the work to make windows games work on Linux. Yes, wine existed before but they both adapted it for games and contributed to the overall wine project a ton. Also, iirc, steamdecks make up for 30% of the Linux machines from valve's yearly reports. The market is tremendously tiny yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] misk@piefed.social -16 points 11 months ago What is their current market share on Linux? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] misk@piefed.social -6 points 11 months ago (2 children) Does Heroic launcher guarantee that the game you bought will not break Wine compatibility when patched by the developer? What kind of consumer experience are you trying to sell here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] misk@piefed.social -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) What stops Windows? Business consumers paying for the OS and the fact that they don’t have any successful app store. What stops Valve? permalink fedilink source parent [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (18 children) The competition on... Okay, so, it's an OS right? So for free linux-native stuff, there's the default package manager that comes installed. Switch your steam deck to desktop mode. There's a lot there, including emulators that will run on steam deck from ancient Atari shit to Nintendo switch. But you can also run non-steam executables with proton. Heroic, lutris, etc are great tools from that. You can buy your games anywhere without rootkit DRM. Most things from itch.io or gog.com will run. Or, you know; other places. You can just pirate shit. You can in fact uninstall the stock OS and run anything you can compile for midrange x86 hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (17 children) You missed the part where Android wanted to lock people out of installing their own apps. They postponed it for now due to pressure but it will happen eventually. Also the part where bootloaders lock you out of changing OS. This thing is possible when you vendor lock people in a vertically integrated system and people here are completely oblivious to the trap they’re walking into because they think Valve will be forever cool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (16 children) Yeah those cases were bad, steam deck just has Linux on it though. Arch based I think with two DE's: KDE plasma and a modified' 'steam big picture' mode. I don't think anything is locked, and they aren't fucking with that in any way dell lenovo or system76 couldn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (15 children) Not yet but they hold you by the balls because you buy license most of your games through Steam. Once they’re entrenched enough they can do whatever. Android was a very open platform in the beginning, now it’s almost iOS. You can fork Android / SteamOS but without Play Store / Steam consumers aren’t that interested. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) But it's much easier to pirate a program than an OS, and they can't fuck with the bios too terribly easy once the thing's in your hands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (13 children) It’s pretty hard to pirate on iOS (and it will be hard on Android too eventually). Their plan is to do this gradually, definitely not in a single generation of hardware. They’ll have pretty strong arguments for locking down the bootloader (kernel level anti-cheat for games like CoD or Valorant) or just plain locking Steam to supported platforms to lock you out of other OSs first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (12 children) And when they do, that hardware will be worthless shit, but steam still has to run of my 15 year old Debian/Fedora x86 box, and other companies are making handhelds like this now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children) Why does it have to? Valve isn’t known for maintaining legacy software. You assume your software will run forever as-is but you can see how that looks like in accelerated timeline in the case of Valve games on Macs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Because most people play on the 300$ dell their mom got them for school ten years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) GoG, epic, any other store really. Proton is made by valve but it works in whatever, and there are tools now to use proton (not wine, proton) outside of steam to get all the goodies you got on top. Heroic launcher does that for the games you get from the Amazon store, gog, epic, and any other exe you got. I even installed battle net, and once you open it everything you install from there works in that bubble and work, I played plenty HOTS games. I play modded D2 without much issues. You know why the steam market share in Linux is so high? Because they are the ones that put the work to make windows games work on Linux. Yes, wine existed before but they both adapted it for games and contributed to the overall wine project a ton. Also, iirc, steamdecks make up for 30% of the Linux machines from valve's yearly reports. The market is tremendously tiny yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] misk@piefed.social -16 points 11 months ago What is their current market share on Linux? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] misk@piefed.social -16 points 11 months ago What is their current market share on Linux? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] misk@piefed.social -6 points 11 months ago (2 children) Does Heroic launcher guarantee that the game you bought will not break Wine compatibility when patched by the developer? What kind of consumer experience are you trying to sell here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] misk@piefed.social -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) What stops Windows? Business consumers paying for the OS and the fact that they don’t have any successful app store. What stops Valve? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] misk@piefed.social -6 points 11 months ago (2 children) Does Heroic launcher guarantee that the game you bought will not break Wine compatibility when patched by the developer? What kind of consumer experience are you trying to sell here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] misk@piefed.social -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) What stops Windows? Business consumers paying for the OS and the fact that they don’t have any successful app store. What stops Valve? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] misk@piefed.social -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) What stops Windows? Business consumers paying for the OS and the fact that they don’t have any successful app store. What stops Valve? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] misk@piefed.social -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) What stops Windows? Business consumers paying for the OS and the fact that they don’t have any successful app store. What stops Valve? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (18 children) The competition on... Okay, so, it's an OS right? So for free linux-native stuff, there's the default package manager that comes installed. Switch your steam deck to desktop mode. There's a lot there, including emulators that will run on steam deck from ancient Atari shit to Nintendo switch. But you can also run non-steam executables with proton. Heroic, lutris, etc are great tools from that. You can buy your games anywhere without rootkit DRM. Most things from itch.io or gog.com will run. Or, you know; other places. You can just pirate shit. You can in fact uninstall the stock OS and run anything you can compile for midrange x86 hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (17 children) You missed the part where Android wanted to lock people out of installing their own apps. They postponed it for now due to pressure but it will happen eventually. Also the part where bootloaders lock you out of changing OS. This thing is possible when you vendor lock people in a vertically integrated system and people here are completely oblivious to the trap they’re walking into because they think Valve will be forever cool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (16 children) Yeah those cases were bad, steam deck just has Linux on it though. Arch based I think with two DE's: KDE plasma and a modified' 'steam big picture' mode. I don't think anything is locked, and they aren't fucking with that in any way dell lenovo or system76 couldn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (15 children) Not yet but they hold you by the balls because you buy license most of your games through Steam. Once they’re entrenched enough they can do whatever. Android was a very open platform in the beginning, now it’s almost iOS. You can fork Android / SteamOS but without Play Store / Steam consumers aren’t that interested. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) But it's much easier to pirate a program than an OS, and they can't fuck with the bios too terribly easy once the thing's in your hands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (13 children) It’s pretty hard to pirate on iOS (and it will be hard on Android too eventually). Their plan is to do this gradually, definitely not in a single generation of hardware. They’ll have pretty strong arguments for locking down the bootloader (kernel level anti-cheat for games like CoD or Valorant) or just plain locking Steam to supported platforms to lock you out of other OSs first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (12 children) And when they do, that hardware will be worthless shit, but steam still has to run of my 15 year old Debian/Fedora x86 box, and other companies are making handhelds like this now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children) Why does it have to? Valve isn’t known for maintaining legacy software. You assume your software will run forever as-is but you can see how that looks like in accelerated timeline in the case of Valve games on Macs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Because most people play on the 300$ dell their mom got them for school ten years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (17 children) You missed the part where Android wanted to lock people out of installing their own apps. They postponed it for now due to pressure but it will happen eventually. Also the part where bootloaders lock you out of changing OS. This thing is possible when you vendor lock people in a vertically integrated system and people here are completely oblivious to the trap they’re walking into because they think Valve will be forever cool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (16 children) Yeah those cases were bad, steam deck just has Linux on it though. Arch based I think with two DE's: KDE plasma and a modified' 'steam big picture' mode. I don't think anything is locked, and they aren't fucking with that in any way dell lenovo or system76 couldn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (15 children) Not yet but they hold you by the balls because you buy license most of your games through Steam. Once they’re entrenched enough they can do whatever. Android was a very open platform in the beginning, now it’s almost iOS. You can fork Android / SteamOS but without Play Store / Steam consumers aren’t that interested. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) But it's much easier to pirate a program than an OS, and they can't fuck with the bios too terribly easy once the thing's in your hands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (13 children) It’s pretty hard to pirate on iOS (and it will be hard on Android too eventually). Their plan is to do this gradually, definitely not in a single generation of hardware. They’ll have pretty strong arguments for locking down the bootloader (kernel level anti-cheat for games like CoD or Valorant) or just plain locking Steam to supported platforms to lock you out of other OSs first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (12 children) And when they do, that hardware will be worthless shit, but steam still has to run of my 15 year old Debian/Fedora x86 box, and other companies are making handhelds like this now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children) Why does it have to? Valve isn’t known for maintaining legacy software. You assume your software will run forever as-is but you can see how that looks like in accelerated timeline in the case of Valve games on Macs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Because most people play on the 300$ dell their mom got them for school ten years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago* (16 children) Yeah those cases were bad, steam deck just has Linux on it though. Arch based I think with two DE's: KDE plasma and a modified' 'steam big picture' mode. I don't think anything is locked, and they aren't fucking with that in any way dell lenovo or system76 couldn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (15 children) Not yet but they hold you by the balls because you buy license most of your games through Steam. Once they’re entrenched enough they can do whatever. Android was a very open platform in the beginning, now it’s almost iOS. You can fork Android / SteamOS but without Play Store / Steam consumers aren’t that interested. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) But it's much easier to pirate a program than an OS, and they can't fuck with the bios too terribly easy once the thing's in your hands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (13 children) It’s pretty hard to pirate on iOS (and it will be hard on Android too eventually). Their plan is to do this gradually, definitely not in a single generation of hardware. They’ll have pretty strong arguments for locking down the bootloader (kernel level anti-cheat for games like CoD or Valorant) or just plain locking Steam to supported platforms to lock you out of other OSs first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (12 children) And when they do, that hardware will be worthless shit, but steam still has to run of my 15 year old Debian/Fedora x86 box, and other companies are making handhelds like this now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children) Why does it have to? Valve isn’t known for maintaining legacy software. You assume your software will run forever as-is but you can see how that looks like in accelerated timeline in the case of Valve games on Macs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Because most people play on the 300$ dell their mom got them for school ten years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (15 children) Not yet but they hold you by the balls because you buy license most of your games through Steam. Once they’re entrenched enough they can do whatever. Android was a very open platform in the beginning, now it’s almost iOS. You can fork Android / SteamOS but without Play Store / Steam consumers aren’t that interested. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) But it's much easier to pirate a program than an OS, and they can't fuck with the bios too terribly easy once the thing's in your hands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (13 children) It’s pretty hard to pirate on iOS (and it will be hard on Android too eventually). Their plan is to do this gradually, definitely not in a single generation of hardware. They’ll have pretty strong arguments for locking down the bootloader (kernel level anti-cheat for games like CoD or Valorant) or just plain locking Steam to supported platforms to lock you out of other OSs first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (12 children) And when they do, that hardware will be worthless shit, but steam still has to run of my 15 year old Debian/Fedora x86 box, and other companies are making handhelds like this now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children) Why does it have to? Valve isn’t known for maintaining legacy software. You assume your software will run forever as-is but you can see how that looks like in accelerated timeline in the case of Valve games on Macs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Because most people play on the 300$ dell their mom got them for school ten years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (14 children) But it's much easier to pirate a program than an OS, and they can't fuck with the bios too terribly easy once the thing's in your hands. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (13 children) It’s pretty hard to pirate on iOS (and it will be hard on Android too eventually). Their plan is to do this gradually, definitely not in a single generation of hardware. They’ll have pretty strong arguments for locking down the bootloader (kernel level anti-cheat for games like CoD or Valorant) or just plain locking Steam to supported platforms to lock you out of other OSs first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (12 children) And when they do, that hardware will be worthless shit, but steam still has to run of my 15 year old Debian/Fedora x86 box, and other companies are making handhelds like this now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children) Why does it have to? Valve isn’t known for maintaining legacy software. You assume your software will run forever as-is but you can see how that looks like in accelerated timeline in the case of Valve games on Macs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Because most people play on the 300$ dell their mom got them for school ten years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (13 children) It’s pretty hard to pirate on iOS (and it will be hard on Android too eventually). Their plan is to do this gradually, definitely not in a single generation of hardware. They’ll have pretty strong arguments for locking down the bootloader (kernel level anti-cheat for games like CoD or Valorant) or just plain locking Steam to supported platforms to lock you out of other OSs first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (12 children) And when they do, that hardware will be worthless shit, but steam still has to run of my 15 year old Debian/Fedora x86 box, and other companies are making handhelds like this now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children) Why does it have to? Valve isn’t known for maintaining legacy software. You assume your software will run forever as-is but you can see how that looks like in accelerated timeline in the case of Valve games on Macs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Because most people play on the 300$ dell their mom got them for school ten years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (12 children) And when they do, that hardware will be worthless shit, but steam still has to run of my 15 year old Debian/Fedora x86 box, and other companies are making handhelds like this now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children) Why does it have to? Valve isn’t known for maintaining legacy software. You assume your software will run forever as-is but you can see how that looks like in accelerated timeline in the case of Valve games on Macs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Because most people play on the 300$ dell their mom got them for school ten years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children) Why does it have to? Valve isn’t known for maintaining legacy software. You assume your software will run forever as-is but you can see how that looks like in accelerated timeline in the case of Valve games on Macs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Because most people play on the 300$ dell their mom got them for school ten years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (10 children) Because most people play on the 300$ dell their mom got them for school ten years ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (9 children) The equivalent of that $300 Dell in 10 years is even more likely to be locked down. Open hardware will become more and more niche, and therefore even more expensive comparatively. This is where the entire industry seems to be going. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children) Okay. I agree this is likely abd a problem. But like, is valve's hardware locked down? How are they different from dell? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) Valve, unlike Dell, has the power to vertically integrate an ecosystem. They own an app store with de facto monopoly over PC gaming. If Valve says that starting 2030 you can only run Steam on Windows and their own locked down OS (and enforce that via bootloader or some other measure) what can you do about it? You only licensed games from them, never bought them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (6 children) Why can't they take back shit you 'bought' rather than just licensed? Ownership is just a licensing agreement under capitalism. I agree the problems are real, but they are not specific to valve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (5 children) I’m dying on this hill because people act like Valve is different. If I had to guess it’s PC players that want to feel superior to others, even though they were first to lose access to physical copies of games and second hand market it provided. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (4 children) The thing is: they're not different. And their hardware isn't, like; special; it's a single board computer running the standard x86/64 architecture that ships with a lightly customized OS most users won't change. I'm more worried about what nvidia Intel and and are getting up to. They'll fuck you first. I guess valve kind of is special? They are a games company, so they don't have big government contracts, they don't work with palantir, and they dont work at a low enough level that they can easily install something my electrical engineer or hacker friends can't possibly fix with a soldering iron. Theyll fuck me, sure, yes, but the chip makers already have their pants down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (3 children) What are Nvidia and Intel doing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago (2 children) Intel management engine, then whatever its successor is called. Same concept. I think there was some other more specific collaboration with the regime. Nvidia straight up contracted with palantir. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] misk@piefed.social 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) If Valve starts utilising Intel ME to do what I’m warning everyone about is it on Valve or Intel? Nvidia (and everyone else) sells their GPUs/NPUs to the highest bidders they can legally sell them to. Not sure how that’s relevant to this discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 11 months ago or No. permalink fedilink source parent