▲ 635 ▼ Myth, Buster (lemmy.ca) submitted 1 year ago by slothrop@lemmy.ca to c/politicalhumor@lemmy.world 34 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 year ago (6 children) It was free, before Columbus arrived. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Did Columbus ever go to what is now the USA? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* He might have gone to Puerto Rico permalink fedilink source parent [–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago It was the land of the free before a moment in history where this guy found the americas which resulted in mass genocide of a giant continent. He may not have been in what is now known as the USA but his discovery sure was the start of the end of the free world. But at least US Americans are still free to celebrate the genocide their ancestors committed during Thanksgiving while their tax dollars go to weapons sent to be used in the current genocide in Gaza. permalink fedilink source parent [–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Was it? The first European settlers found native villages that were surrounded by palisades. There was plenty of conflict before the Europeans got there. If you look at the various conflicts between 1600 and 1900 or so, you'll see it's always some European group with a list of Native groups supporting them vs. some other European group with their own different set of Native groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Are you saying some tribes having a fight over some land is similar to the genocide? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anzo@programming.dev 1 point 1 year ago Of course not. In the same sense that you were not romanticizing the war between empires. The Incas for example were able to dominate a lot of land. The greed was there. To understand we are humans, we need to admit even the parts that put us to shame. Only from recognizing shortcomings we can build something better. And it's not like humans are always greedy, survival of the strongest, yada yada. That's an oversimplification that some build over this fact (it's their agenda.), that we are not perfect. But it's not an essentialism, we can be better. Anyway, sorry I ended up ranting off topic. Glad to share. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Did Columbus ever go to what is now the USA? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* He might have gone to Puerto Rico permalink fedilink source parent [–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago It was the land of the free before a moment in history where this guy found the americas which resulted in mass genocide of a giant continent. He may not have been in what is now known as the USA but his discovery sure was the start of the end of the free world. But at least US Americans are still free to celebrate the genocide their ancestors committed during Thanksgiving while their tax dollars go to weapons sent to be used in the current genocide in Gaza. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* He might have gone to Puerto Rico permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago It was the land of the free before a moment in history where this guy found the americas which resulted in mass genocide of a giant continent. He may not have been in what is now known as the USA but his discovery sure was the start of the end of the free world. But at least US Americans are still free to celebrate the genocide their ancestors committed during Thanksgiving while their tax dollars go to weapons sent to be used in the current genocide in Gaza. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Was it? The first European settlers found native villages that were surrounded by palisades. There was plenty of conflict before the Europeans got there. If you look at the various conflicts between 1600 and 1900 or so, you'll see it's always some European group with a list of Native groups supporting them vs. some other European group with their own different set of Native groups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Are you saying some tribes having a fight over some land is similar to the genocide? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anzo@programming.dev 1 point 1 year ago Of course not. In the same sense that you were not romanticizing the war between empires. The Incas for example were able to dominate a lot of land. The greed was there. To understand we are humans, we need to admit even the parts that put us to shame. Only from recognizing shortcomings we can build something better. And it's not like humans are always greedy, survival of the strongest, yada yada. That's an oversimplification that some build over this fact (it's their agenda.), that we are not perfect. But it's not an essentialism, we can be better. Anyway, sorry I ended up ranting off topic. Glad to share. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Are you saying some tribes having a fight over some land is similar to the genocide? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anzo@programming.dev 1 point 1 year ago Of course not. In the same sense that you were not romanticizing the war between empires. The Incas for example were able to dominate a lot of land. The greed was there. To understand we are humans, we need to admit even the parts that put us to shame. Only from recognizing shortcomings we can build something better. And it's not like humans are always greedy, survival of the strongest, yada yada. That's an oversimplification that some build over this fact (it's their agenda.), that we are not perfect. But it's not an essentialism, we can be better. Anyway, sorry I ended up ranting off topic. Glad to share. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anzo@programming.dev 1 point 1 year ago Of course not. In the same sense that you were not romanticizing the war between empires. The Incas for example were able to dominate a lot of land. The greed was there. To understand we are humans, we need to admit even the parts that put us to shame. Only from recognizing shortcomings we can build something better. And it's not like humans are always greedy, survival of the strongest, yada yada. That's an oversimplification that some build over this fact (it's their agenda.), that we are not perfect. But it's not an essentialism, we can be better. Anyway, sorry I ended up ranting off topic. Glad to share. permalink fedilink source parent